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Ian Phillips

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Ian Phillips
Mr_Foxhound said:
he essentially told me to leave the forum, and was virtue signalled buy another mod
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Ah - so you took the post personally and decided that its fine to get a little dig in because because a moderator made a post you disagree with. I see.

Now about the OP of toxic posters - do you have anything to say on that subject? Because from looking at your posts in this thread, you're proving the OP's point in spades by grinding your axe about bugs and devs incompetance.

The thread isn't for moaning about bugs, its about how gamers being toxic discourage open communication from Developers.

Lists of bugs do not justify toxicity.
 

lifeschool-amiga

lifeschool-amiga
jasonbarron said:
I think the OP is off the mark with a false premise. I'd say that this has been one of the smoothest transitions on the forum following a major expansion to ED I've seen yet. He makes the assumption that 1--the only comments welcome are positivity & 2--that constructive criticism and/or disappointment being expressed is "anger" or toxic. I haven't seen much of either of those latter two sentiments flooding the forum.
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Exactly. Even using the word Toxic automatically asserts something as being harmful, and by keep using it, the whole thing becomes it. Words are just forms of imagination, and they create what they describe. Forums are not toxic, and I havent found more than the usual few % who have a go at David or the FD team personally. The silent majority dont even visit this forum any more, they are happy just to log in and out of the game. And most times people are complaining they dont have all the information within the game, or an understanding, unless they visit the forums. So forums are a hot bed of learning, and creative expression.

I think the game is being made by nerds this time instead of geeks, and as everyone knowns, nerds are bumbling fools who stay up all night tinkering with things, fixing some bugs while making others. I wouldnt say this game suffers from the bugs too much, just like my Amiga videos always have a couple of bugs - but I'm passionate enough to make them for the community for FREE.

To the people who say the game used to fit on one 880k floppy disk are missing the point of one high res graphic taking up 10MB just on their own. With each ship consisting of hundreds of surface models, the ship alone must be several hundred meg in size, compared to the very simple vector graphics of the 16 bit era. An unsurfaced wire-frame vector model of my Corvette probably takes up more ram than an 880k disk just on its own, and its the graphics which consume the disk space.
 

Marklar_

Marklar_
Mr_Foxhound said:
its gone to patronising now...nice

i was asking about what is complex about the game and was listed reasons why i then asked why are thos things make it complex
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It truly seems as if you don't know what the word "complex" means, so Ian Phillips' post seems spot on.

You are so far off from making any kind of point that it just looks trollish to me.
 

Ian Phillips

Volunteer Moderator
Ian Phillips
Mr_Foxhound said:
its gone to patronising now...nice

i was asking about what is complex about the game and was listed reasons why i then asked why are thos things make it complex
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Heh. If you can quote dictionary definitons, may I be allowed to do the same?

Or when I do it its patronisinng, and when you do it its ...what? Clarifying? Explanatory? Proving your point?
 

Mr_Foxhound

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Ian Phillips said:
Heh. If you can quote dictionary definitons, may I be allowed to do the same?

Or when I do it its patronisinng, and when you do it its ...what? Clarifying? Explanatory? Proving your point?
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mine was a comparison to a point that FD have failed with some aspects of the game and the the dictionary definitions where relevant to them failures ,which i gave examples of.
you did for the soul purpose to make fun of my point, but i guess thats the perks of being a mod
 
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kilon

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Personally I love Elite. It has been by far the most buggy game I have played , but non the less it's very enjoyable and very immersive. Money extremely well spent.

Coding is not hard by itself but of course huge projects like Elite can hide a ton of complexity. The very fact that it has 400 billion systems is enough of a nightmare code wise. So respect to devs for handling such a complex game.
 

Marklar_

Marklar_
Mr_Foxhound said:
you did for the soul purpose to make fun of my point, but i guess thats the perks of being a mod
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I've been harder on you than him and I'm not a mod, so maybe that's not a mod perk? Maybe you just have a bee in your bonnet about mods? Is that what this is really about? It certainly doesn't seem to be about constructive criticism.
 

Jenner

I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
Jenner
Mr_Foxhound said:
he essentially told me to leave the forum, and was virtue signalled buy another mod



whats complex about the things you listed
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Since I'm the 'virtue signaling mod' I suppose I should elaborate:

Yeah, there's no rule against posting on the forum if you're not an active player. Feel free to do so.

That said, your post was definitely a dig at the developers, and as such was proving OPs point about toxic communities.

Personally if I'm not happy with a game I'm not about to hang about on their forums, getting in digs against the devs. It's not constructive, would waste my time, and is just plain ol' 'not nice.'

By all means, feel free to speak your mind. FD have this forum for their fans to do so.

However, that freedom of expression (within the rules of the forum set out by FD) does not mean that other members of the community have to accept bad attitude and abrasiveness without response.

This is not directed at you specifically. I'm speaking in general of posters on this forum who take every opportunity to tear down the devs and the community simply because they are upset over a video game.
 

jmg

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it is amazing how toxic gamer forums can be.
I see it here, and in the star citizen community, neither of which deserve the criticism spewed at them by arm-chair coders and forum-trolling "experts".
 

playfuldreamer

playfuldreamer
jmg said:
it is amazing how toxic gamer forums can be.
I see it here, and in the star citizen community, neither of which deserve the criticism spewed at them by arm-chair coders and forum-trolling "experts".
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I keep seeing this argument used to silence criticism, but I wonder if you understand this is equally applicable to positive support? If one requires coding experience or expertise in development to make comments about the game, then shouldn't those who make supportive comments also require experience? What qualifies someone who is happy with the game to support the developers?
 

Marak

Marak
playfuldreamer said:
I keep seeing this argument used to silence criticism, but I wonder if you understand this is equally applicable to positive support? If one requires coding experience or expertise in development to make comments about the game, then shouldn't those who make supportive comments also require experience? What qualifies someone who is happy with the game to support the developers?
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If I like how a game plays I support the developers. No coding experience necessary.

I do have a lot of experience in playing games though...
 

jmg

J
playfuldreamer said:
I keep seeing this argument used to silence criticism, but I wonder if you understand this is equally applicable to positive support? If one requires coding experience or expertise in development to make comments about the game, then shouldn't those who make supportive comments also require experience? What qualifies someone who is happy with the game to support the developers?
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there's constructive and there's toxic.
And here as with star citizen, it seems to me that gammers tend to lean towards toxic.. people who can create a web page suddenly become coding "experts" when they could barely write a hello world script if their lives depended on it
 

verminstar

Banned
verminstar
jmg said:
there's constructive and there's toxic.
And here as with star citizen, it seems to me that gammers tend to lean towards toxic.. people who can create a web page suddenly become coding "experts" when they could barely write a hello world script if their lives depended on it
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On the other hand, there are some experts who couldnt string a 5 minute conversation together about the game they actually coded. Just because gamers dont know much about coding doesnt instantly mean they know nothing of gaming. I need a light on behind the power switch otherwise I forget how to turn it on, yet Ive been a multi platform gamer fer over 30 years. I know what I like and what I dont like...what works and what doesnt work. I dont know how because I dont need to know how...its not a requirement to have a valid opinion.

One the problems we appear to have is that some think their background in IT and coding somehow makes their opinions more valid than everyone elses. Because they understand how things work and lesser beings dont...ergo they start talking to others like idiots and the flame wars start. A similar sorta attitude that has had some pc players looking down their noses at console players and while the mods here dont allow such topics to gain serious traction, the attitudes are still there...bubbling just under the surface...certain players who believe themselves superior fer...reasons ^
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
jmg said:
there's constructive and there's toxic.
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I propose that there's something in-between. Right now I'm feeling quite... frustrated. Not angry, but not "FDev is wonderful" and "Everyone makes mistakes" either. I've encountered some glaring bugs in 2.4 (PS4) that should never had made it past QA (see below for an example). I actually think I've done relatively well at holding my tongue and balancing my "shared frustration" with appreciation for the good things in 2.4, but all the same, I'm not impressed with all the bugs in this update, and so I'm a bit..... frustrated.. with the developers..

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