General / Off-Topic Forum posts on Elite Dangerous
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They'd pull the game over lack of financial viability, which isn't a genuine concern.
As for the forum it's their forum their choice. Look at NMS they never even bothered in the first place, could be something to do with all the bomb threats, death threats, threats to their families and even threats to journalists and their families for reporting on release delays.
Not all gamers are capable of reasonable communication lots of dev's just don't bother with all the pointless routine toxicity that the 0.1% of nutters have forced into it.
Interesting article about it here, look in the comments for a guy who got perma-banned from this forum.
The topic every game dev is talking about behind closed doors : The cost of doing business
Content warning : I’ve embedded some tweets to various developers that show the sorts of comments that they receive every day. There’s some…
Does not seem to bother Bill Gates MicrosoftThey'd pull the game over lack of financial viability, which isn't a genuine concern.
As for the forum it's their forum their choice. Look at NMS they never even bothered in the first place, could be something to do with all the bomb threats, death threats, threats to their families and even threats to journalists and their families for reporting on release delays.
Not all gamers are capable of reasonable communication lots of dev's just don't bother with all the pointless routine toxicity that the 0.1% of nutters have forced into it.
Interesting article about it here, look in the comments for a guy who got perma-banned from this forum.
The topic every game dev is talking about behind closed doors : The cost of doing business
Content warning : I’ve embedded some tweets to various developers that show the sorts of comments that they receive every day. There’s some…medium.com
Perma banned is what should be done to players who buy credit farming services online..
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Imagine the laughs if they shut the game to focus on the forum.
You've lost me.
Some companies do exactly that, others are less worried about cheating. FDEV permaban cheats if they keep going after a warning.
This forum is quite interesting. Hosted by the makers of the game, it serves as a ‘we are listening’ tool. I suppose it has worked in some instances. At a place I used to work at they had a suggestion box, they were aways pushing the message to put suggestions in there but they never acted on one. I used to put my cigarette ends in there in the end.
I suppose as well as ‘we are listening’ they get to control the narrative about what is happening with the game, though they’re quite tight lipped about that also. I’m surprised they bother with it tbh. They pay people to engage with us on here and you wonder if it is money well spent. Things like patch announcements could be done via a Twitter feed, these things get spread around anyway.
I’d hate to work somewhere where my duties, work I have done is discussed the way it is here. Imagine that. Everyone knows the saying you cant please all the people, yet it does rather seem to be the expectation around here.
I work for a County Council, it sits on top of several district or borough councils, over the years I have heard residents in each borough or district all say that they’re the most neglected. They cant all be right. I see a lot of that on here too. PvP, PowerPlay, VR and others, all believe that the aspect of the game they like the most is the most neglected yet fundamental to the game itself and its future.
So if I was at FD, I’d think about pulling the forum. It serves no real purpose other than create an image of listening (and that seems to be a failure) and is costing them money (wages at least) to provide the thankless task it is.
I suppose as well as ‘we are listening’ they get to control the narrative about what is happening with the game, though they’re quite tight lipped about that also. I’m surprised they bother with it tbh. They pay people to engage with us on here and you wonder if it is money well spent. Things like patch announcements could be done via a Twitter feed, these things get spread around anyway.
I’d hate to work somewhere where my duties, work I have done is discussed the way it is here. Imagine that. Everyone knows the saying you cant please all the people, yet it does rather seem to be the expectation around here.
I work for a County Council, it sits on top of several district or borough councils, over the years I have heard residents in each borough or district all say that they’re the most neglected. They cant all be right. I see a lot of that on here too. PvP, PowerPlay, VR and others, all believe that the aspect of the game they like the most is the most neglected yet fundamental to the game itself and its future.
So if I was at FD, I’d think about pulling the forum. It serves no real purpose other than create an image of listening (and that seems to be a failure) and is costing them money (wages at least) to provide the thankless task it is.
That seems to be a common misconception. From the first line of the forum rules:
Create a community well, it does that - if people help each other then fdev have less need to tell every new person to relog to unlock Palin (and the forums work for that). And people organise events etc.
The other part is people communicating with fdev - which they do. I just think fdev underestimated that many would expect them to communicate back
I don't think the forums take that much managing by fdev - mostly the volunteer mods do the heavy lifting. All fdev need to do is post occasional updates and try to sift something useful from the madness ... oh wait .. that could take quite some effort
[/quote][/QUOTE]That seems to be a common misconception. From the first line of the forum rules:
Create a community well, it does that - if people help each other then fdev have less need to tell every new person to relog to unlock Palin (and the forums work for that). And people organise events etc.
The other part is people communicating with fdev - which they do. I just think fdev underestimated that many would expect them to communicate back
I don't think the forums take that much managing by fdev - mostly the volunteer mods do the heavy lifting. All fdev need to do is post occasional updates and try to sift something useful from the madness ... oh wait .. that could take quite some effort
That is interesting, that bit from the forum rules. What I meant really is, they could answer any accusation that they never listen by saying that they host this forum.
I get what you’re saying about the heavy lifting on here but CM’s? Do other companies have them for each game they make if they don’t have a forum?
[/QUOTE]That seems to be a common misconception. From the first line of the forum rules:
Create a community well, it does that - if people help each other then fdev have less need to tell every new person to relog to unlock Palin (and the forums work for that). And people organise events etc.
The other part is people communicating with fdev - which they do. I just think fdev underestimated that many would expect them to communicate back
I don't think the forums take that much managing by fdev - mostly the volunteer mods do the heavy lifting. All fdev need to do is post occasional updates and try to sift something useful from the madness ... oh wait .. that could take quite some effort
It served Ed Lewis and others to get a foot in the Gaming industry. If this is the 'Official forum' there are plenty unofficial ones that kept interest in Elite for 30 years.
It is well seen.The other part is people communicating with fdev - which they do. I just think fdev underestimated that many would expect them to communicate back
The communication is a huge deficiency at Frontier.
It's amazing for a company that develops games and has a large community.
FD is a company worth tens of millions while employing hundreds of people. They dont make decisions based on hurt feelings, but based on what gives the Chinese Overlords from Tencent the most profit for their investment.
You think that Tencent has as much influence in relation to the % of their participation ?
Frontier don't have a problem communicating when seeking money. Hence dev dairies before DLC release.The other part is people communicating with fdev - which they do. I just think fdev underestimated that many would expect them to communicate back
You think that Tencent has as much influence in relation to the % of their participation ?
Normally it is the other way around: a company like Tencent isn't going to bother with the details of any project, but FD will definitely take their desired results into consideration. In other words, if FD says:"we're planning to do [x], and we expect it to be very profitable!" Tencent wont even care what [x] is. But if FD wants to do [y], for example some extreme DLC for ED, they might decide to instead do something else if they suspect it wont live up to Tencent's expectations.
Well, yeah. Salesmen are more talkative when they have a product to sell. They are a company, not a charity, so every investment has to have some expected outcome. Right now investing in extensive updates/videos/diaries/whatever isn't going to get them a single penny. All the Angry Space Nerds wailing about boycoitting if [x] isn't done right now are going to buy the DLC anyway if it turns out to be fun.
Don't get me wrong, I'd much appreciate more info too and it annoys me that they are so silent, but it is not some bizarre unheard of immoral behavior.
On that basis, it's a bit cheeky when companies ask you to start advertising their products for free, wishlisting and all that sort of thing.
Vote with your wallet if it bothers you.
TenCent are effectively a Hedge Fund, have you not seen the Tencent investor video with David Braben? TenCent dont know, understand or really in any way 'care' about what products fdev do or dont develop, as long as the profit is there, if not they pull out and invest elsewhere, they dont send a management team in to restructure fdev programming roadmap to add or remove a feature in one game. And fdev are probably the most profitable investment TenCent have had so notmuch chance of that. TenCent look for people and businesses that know what they are doing in their industry and invest in that, TenCent dont necessarily need to know the industry specifically.
The forum 'Community' is not one voice nor does it represent probably 80%+ of active players who never visit the forums at all, so giving weight to the forums ignores the majority.
its unlikely but far more likely that individual devs, story writers, lore developers and CM team or even Moderators will lose motivation, leave or move on and we will get told less and less coz its easier to deal with salt for no news than every single bit of info thats released....and then people will whinge that the old crew ere much better.
Anyone who has ever dealt with the general public knows that 99% of the time the customer is just plain wrong.
There's also the possibility that Frontier will do good work and receive the plaudits. If, at present, there's not enough plaudits, there's always the possibility that's there's not enough good work.