But in the days when I was young that I'm trying to relive with this game, there was no PvP. I secretly want there to be white lines on a black background.
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But in the days when I was young that I'm trying to relive with this game, there was no PvP. I secretly want there to be white lines on a black background.
Yep, and part of my point is that those big paydays for pirates in the core systems should come with a risk for the reward. To balance that, rares shouldn't be reliable or available all the time. When they show up it should be a special occasion that attracts traders (and pirates) from all over, and the rest of the time the consistent big profits should be in anarchy and frontier systems, which would be the traders' risk/reward.
Well. You can always play the very original elite if its more to your preference.
Personally though id just play in solo or a private group.
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This is a very sensible line of reasoning.
Another thing that this whole idea is lacking is the idea of NPC bounty hunters chasing you over the galaxy.
If you are "spotted" by a player or NPC they might report you, knowing you are one the most wanted people on GalNet.
This would not only provide content but a escalating scale of risk as first bounty hunters in Vipers and Cobras come after you, then Asps and Pythons - then the big guns start coming after you.
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If you are "spotted" by a player or NPC they might report you, knowing you are one the most wanted people on GalNet.
This would not only provide content but a escalating scale of risk as first bounty hunters in Vipers and Cobras come after you, then Asps and Pythons - then the big guns start coming after you.
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This would be so much fun. i would love to get a bounty and see how many hunters i could lure into deep deep space.
But I played Elite in 1984! This game is supposed to be that exact game so I can relive my youth!!!
Fun is the overriding motive, my PvP Averse friend. There's nothing wrong at all with what you've said, and I think it's totally valid and legit. I'm not going to be one who demands that EVERYONE play Open. It's cool, not everyone likes the idea of open PvP, and thankfully FD has given us an awesome way to continue participating in the game via Solo/Group, if we should choose. I'll never begrudge someone saying "I don't like PvP, I'll just play Solo."
I just dislike the whole "Change Open and make it Solo w/ people" demands that keep getting floated. That, and the "Make PvP functionally impossible just so we can claim it still exists even though nobody uses it". I'd like to give it time to evolve, flesh out, and take direction before wholesale demands to change get implemented.
Here's hoping, with future balance and tweaking, you'll feel more comfortable dipping your toes into Open. It's still in rough shape, but lets see how things get smoothed out. If you've got interesting ideas to make things better, share them! Tell us PvPers (and FD) what you'd like to see different, and be reasonable about it. We'll compromise, try to find a middle road to make everyone happy, then provide a united front to Frontier.
I personally really don't want to go back to social awkwardness and body changes myself.
wait, what? how does eve count as an epic fail? i was of the impression it was the one and only MMO that has had a consistently rising player base over all it's years. most hit a peak then slowly dwindle.
i think the secret to eve's success is the fact if flies against the norm. it is a niche game and as such has very little competition. this has allowed it to flourish as players can find a unique game there they cannot get elsewhere. we all know the MMO market is saturated with WoW clones, so even if a niche game will have a smaller player base than WoW if it offers something unique that is it's best chance for long term survival.
look at minecraft for another game that was completely different to all the triple A games out there
i think elite has a future beyond that of a single player game precisely because it has PvP enabled in it's default mode. i can see this growing and becoming an end game when wings and the background sim have matured and players are fighting over what faction will rule a system. i can see the mobious group getting into the fight by using their combined man power to work on a system (with no PvP) and other groups in open scrapping with each other as they fight to do what they want with the system. that is why even solo players share the same galaxy.
it's a grand aim and one that could potentially keep players hooked long after they have ticked everything off their todo list.
What if it's in a conflict zone? What if we're in independent space? What if you're attacking my friend in independent space? See what I'm saying? This is why we have courts, so you don't ruin someone's life because blind rules determined they did something they shouldn't have. I highly doubt FD is going to employ ED judges to make sure every instance is legit.
Your correct about niche (But still very popular). EVe is the largest and most successful sandbox, its complete opposite of WoW and etc.
LOL! Wait until you're over 50...it all happens again! ;P
Actually, if you think about it, the Pilot's Federation would care in fact. If this were a real organisation, there would be code of conduct that would be required to be adhered to in order to retain membership. I'm a little surprised Frontier haven't issued such a document to feed roleplay purposes. That code would logically frown upon murder of fellow CMDRs (ie clean status CMDRs as fellow members). I think that should a murderer go far enough (eg kill records showing he or she targets fellow members exclusively or murders a certain number to times), the result is excommunication, banishing the individual with the effect you can't dock in any civilised system other than pirate outposts. And that history should stay with you after ship destruction/death (perhaps with missions required in order to reclaim your reputation and membership).
I love it when people start to 'grok' the real gameplay behind Elite: Dangerous...to those that play solo to get away from the fight...you can work WITH those in Open, or against those in Open. Sorry if this isn't the game you wnated. It IS the game FDEV wanted.
Lets not forget the strategic gameplay that can come from safer civilised space, and more dangerous anarchy systems.
Having to plot routes more carefully, being aware of danger areas.
Having to follow targets out of safe space, waiting for your opportunity.
Chasing down high value pirates in lawless anarchy systems.
Equipping trade ships for speed and defense going to Anarchy.
No safety or protection from Anarchy stations (dare you dock).
All this would add so much to the game.
Having to plot routes more carefully, being aware of danger areas.
Having to follow targets out of safe space, waiting for your opportunity.
Chasing down high value pirates in lawless anarchy systems.
Equipping trade ships for speed and defense going to Anarchy.
No safety or protection from Anarchy stations (dare you dock).
All this would add so much to the game.
FD want the chance of random attacks for no reason and so on. That's fine, no chance of being able to shoot at other players would be very dull. Do they want powerful ships blasting newbies though? Do they want people exploiting spaceport mechanics to get players killed (that one seems to be a "no")? Very one-sided random attacks are probably carried out by people who think getting people killed by the space station is fun. IMO if the mechanics of the game force such behaviour into places where it belongs (e.g. anarchies) then that would be great, whatever I think of such people as individuals (not a lot, but they make the game a little more interesting). As it is there we've got problems, although ones that don't exist to anywhere near the extent this forum would have you believe.
And the more FDEV stick to the vision and build on this currently embryonic framework the more people will grok how it isn't a mistake to do things differently. A lot of thought has gone into it.
If you don't like the freedom of open. Join/make a group. Have the rules you want, but still be a part of the same unfolding history.
Keep it up FD.
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yup, once you understand that it's clear why there is no true offline mode. doesn't stop us from grumbling if the server hamsters go on strike though
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