Frontier: give the FSD to ALL players, regardless of whether they took part or not

[Fullo111]

Let's be honest, if the FSD wasn't on offer then there'd be no arguments. Players would either participate or not and get whatever percentage of the monetary rewards based on their input and there's never been any arguments.
So when the added incentive of a module is thrown into the mix to help get players scrambling to play longer and harder, then all heads fall off.

So you'd do the CG regardless of reward?
Pay for the cargo, the ammo, the repairs to your ship from your own pocket all for the "Community"?

I can't see anyone breaking off Painite or LTD mining any time soon to get that Starport built quicker and especially for free.

As I said, credits aren't an issue for most so monetary reward is no incentive to join the cause. However, an engineered module seems to be the carrot everyone wants.
Now if everyone got it just for signing up, delivering 2t of cargo or handing in a 20k credit bounty, then the CG wouldn't end any higher than Tier 1 and your precious Starport wouldn't even get through planning permission as players would do the bare minimum to get the carrot. At the end of the day, money makes the galaxy goes round.

The mindset of 'medals for last place' has filtered into the game it seems.

FDev clearly stated that the target was 25% and players decided that it wasn't worth the effort, so clearly it was all about "personal gain" as the monetary system was still very much in place and they walked away anyhow then griped in the forums.

As I said, FDev should give the latest FSD to all who signed up to it this time but be clear and strict going into the next one.

 

[Vetinari]

Players would either participate or not

Arguably more would participate. Some would do it who couldn't get to the 25%, and some would have joined later in the week.

What it definitely did is get the usual contributors doing more in a shorter space of time.

However, an engineered module seems to be the carrot everyone wants.

My campaign for Decals is obviously not working.

Advanced ranks, discounted stuff, Mats....all these would be wanted as well, nobody even knew about double eng. modules until that CG and nobody had a 75% cut-off in a CG is OK and the right % until that CG either. People seem to talk about it as though its always been this way, its been two CGs now.

 

[Fullo111]

They made the choice to go out in to the black, just like I did. And the comments hardly demonstrate how 'gutted' they are.

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't realise you was all explorers in the game.
From a few comments I've seen throughout the threads regarding this CG, they seemed 'disappointed' that they were so far out to get involved.
Maybe 'gutted' is the wrong word. Were you disappointed instead?

 

[Fullo111]

Arguably more would participate. Some would do it who couldn't get to the 25%, and some would have joined later in the week.

What it definitely did is get the usual contributors doing more in a shorter space of time.



My campaign for Decals is obviously not working.

Advanced ranks, discounted stuff, Mats....all these would be wanted as well, nobody even knew about double eng. modules until that CG and nobody had a 75% cut-off in a CG is OK and the right % until that CG either. People seem to talk about it as though its always been this way, its been two CGs now.

It's been a bit of a farce to be honest. I personally don't care if FDev give every player the FSD.
I don't agree that they've buckled to pressure over this yet can't fix the issues in the game that everyone has complained about for months, if not years.
It just sets a dangerous precedence that will continue to hinder the game every time a small minority decide to question it.
I'll get the module but I'd happily give it away if I could as I have now use for it myself. I enjoyed the CG as it was something new for me fighting Thargoids.

 

[CMDR C*******y]

i join the ax cg using an alternate acct, at this stage ,as it's a CG, i am just glad it was FU at FDev, level.... and everyone get the FSD

 

[Kelster87]

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't realise you was all explorers in the game.
From a few comments I've seen throughout the threads regarding this CG, they seemed 'disappointed' that they were so far out to get involved.
Maybe 'gutted' is the wrong word. Were you disappointed instead?

Nope. The FSD is only a marginal improvement over what I have. I'm not seeing any large amounts of salt in the Exploration subforum, not in other places ED Explorers tend to congregate. I've seen a couple of such comments, none seemed all that disappointed even - at least those who did the numbers.

And it's strange that people used to participate in the CG's when there was only credits as a reward.. It's almost like people really did participate for the community - or they wanted the CG goal to happen..

 

[JeffRyan]

I swear to God, this thread is basically a long list of 'Why We Can't Have Nice Things' whenever FD do something cool or different, people whine like crazy. Then whine like crazy because it wasn't cool or different in the way they want. Or they didn't get to profit from it. And then whine like crazy that FD don't do things that are cool and different and don't take risks.

 

[Fullo111]

Nope. The FSD is only a marginal improvement over what I have. I'm not seeing any large amounts of salt in the Exploration subforum, not in other places ED Explorers tend to congregate. I've seen a couple of such comments, none seemed all that disappointed even - at least those who did the numbers.

And it's strange that people used to participate in the CG's when there was only credits as a reward.. It's almost like people really did participate for the community - or they wanted the CG goal to happen..

I really believe that mining is the cause of it all. New players now have Fleet Carriers in less than a year of playing the game.
You won't see anyone breaking off to do the CG for credits when there's 1.7m per tonne to be earned elsewhere.
They'll be super rich eventually, have all the ships in the game ans then whine that there's nothing to do as they have everything after only playing for a year.
Exploration is too boring for them.
Combat is too much effort for little reward for the risk.
Cargo missions paying 3m credits, ppfttt!!! Pointless.

I've been playing for 4 years and I still love it. I still don't have enough to buy a Fleet Carrier comfortably. I have 6 ships to my name that I'm proud of. Only just bought a Corvette which I'm currently grinding to engineer but that's how it should be, effort and time to get the rewards.

 

[Vetinari]

When there was Imp v Fed v Alliance I used to drop one load at all 3 and then go for the underdog. If they got a new station or whatever, it benefits me too and everyone else, the credits were a nice bonus for my level at the time but not the aim, by the time I had a T9 they didnt matter anyway. Either way 'I helped do that'...

And weve had years of CGs and 2 with a new module, even this run most have completed without a module. And this one the Global Rewards, which are just awesome and show they listening since WHN II, have got lost and forgotten coz of the module.

 

[Fullo111]

I can see that FDev are trying to get the numbers involved in CGs by introducing modules as rewards.
Maybe as someone said earlier, a newer method such as a set target of cargo or bounties to get you over the line to receive the module might be better.
Also rebalancing the trades may bring more to the CG if they aren't distracted by the large sums of credits.
I love combat and I'll do it regardless of credits. I do it because I enjoy it and that's what the game should be about.
If you like mining, do that but because you enjoy it. Not because it gets you rich quickly.
We'll quickly see a change in numbers of players who don't like the rebalancing. If and when it happens, I say good riddance.
I know I'll still be here when it does happen.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Why would I, did they change the rules after those events too?

Because they realized that making 25% unhappy is better than making 75% unhappy.

For participants of course.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Let's be honest, if the FSD wasn't on offer then there'd be no arguments. Players would either participate or not and get whatever percentage of the monetary rewards based on their input and there's never been any arguments.
So when the added incentive of a module is thrown into the mix to help get players scrambling to play longer and harder, then all heads fall off.

So you'd do the CG regardless of reward?
Pay for the cargo, the ammo, the repairs to your ship from your own pocket all for the "Community"?

I can't see anyone breaking off Painite or LTD mining any time soon to get that Starport built quicker and especially for free.

As I said, credits aren't an issue for most so monetary reward is no incentive to join the cause. However, an engineered module seems to be the carrot everyone wants.
Now if everyone got it just for signing up, delivering 2t of cargo or handing in a 20k credit bounty, then the CG wouldn't end any higher than Tier 1 and your precious Starport wouldn't even get through planning permission as players would do the bare minimum to get the carrot. At the end of the day, money makes the galaxy goes round.

The mindset of 'medals for last place' has filtered into the game it seems.

FDev clearly stated that the target was 25% and players decided that it wasn't worth the effort, so clearly it was all about "personal gain" as the monetary system was still very much in place and they walked away anyhow then griped in the forums.

As I said, FDev should give the latest FSD to all who signed up to it this time but be clear and strict going into the next one.

Medals for last place?

No wonder I've got so much fruit salad...

 

[Non Grata]

Seems to me that the only people who 'missed out' are the people who put in the effort to get to the 25% tier, the 'unfairness' is giving the reward to those that didn't make it.

And yes, FDec know exactly who took part and did what - how else could they hand out rewards?

The only real issue I see in this situation is FDev's lack of spine.

FD don't know who elected to not take part due to realising they couldn't make the 25% (but could have made the 75%, if they'd known).

They also don't know who of those that finished between 100 and 75% withdrew after realising that they wouldn't make it.

They also don't know who elected to only compete in one of the CGs instead of both, after realising they wouldn't have time for both.

They also don't know who elected to compete on only one account instead of two or more, for the same reason.

 

[Bigmaec]

My honest opinion on this is that everyone who takes part in a CG should get the reward if it's something like a module better than normally achieveable.
Make it tier related if its handed out or how good it is, but reward everyone. Decals on the other hand can well be handed out for different CG ranks imho.

 

[Non Grata]

Because they realized that making 25% unhappy is better than making 75% unhappy.

For participants of course.

You're not fully-understanding the issue if you think the affected players are solely the 25%. Some 25% players are affected, and some players that didn't take part are affected.

 

[Non Grata]

My God we're getting particularly obnoxious as players...

Especially with the personal attacks.

 

[Kamiyoda]

My God we're getting particularly obnoxious as players...

Hey leave me out of this you guys wanted free will you got it, its your problem now

 

[znôrt]

I swear to God, this thread is basically a long list of 'Why We Can't Have Nice Things' whenever FD do something cool or different

exclusive modules are a dengerous avenue, frontier should know better but ... whatever. they were well intended, just wanting to give people stuff to engage for. but goodwill is simply not enough and they clearly messed up this one big time by moving the goalposts. they should have stood firm. now every whiner has a legitimate claim. of course they can say no, but whereas last week saying no would have made sense and would have worked, now it doesn't anymore.

it is an arxe up. part of the learning process i hope.

, people whine like crazy. Then whine like crazy because it wasn't cool or different in the way they want. Or they didn't get to profit from it. And then whine like crazy that FD don't do things that are cool and different and don't take risks.

and this is where you pointlessly go all dismissive and demeaning, so i'll best leave you to your thing.

 

[Oytis57]

Hey leave me out of this you guys wanted free will you got it, its your problem now

I'm still amazed that people want this ty engineered FSD,didn't they unlock not even Farseer? Is it really the sad state of the playerbase?

 

[znôrt]

I'm still amazed that people want this poopooty engineered FSD,didn't they unlock not even Farseer? Is it really the sad state of the playerbase?

haven't you seen any cobra 4 thread at all?
don't miss them. true forum classic!