Frontier: give the FSD to ALL players, regardless of whether they took part or not

[[VR] Mad Mike]

And then we come to the harsh reality of, if you didn't win, you don't get the prize. If some of us run a 100 metre sprint, and I come 2nd, would it be acceptable for me to request/demand the gold medal? What if I chose not take part in the race and sat in the crowd? Should I get the gold medal then? That is the level of stupidity this tantrum is at.

As usual there is a group in this community who sour its reputation in the wider gaming community, thanks for nothing.

Personally I don't care about changing the percentages , I think offering time limited, number limited in game golden gear which gives unique advantages In a competitive environment over a small time window is a bad idea full stop. It is preying on FOMO to try to strong arm players into playing. It is also something frontier managed to avoid doing for the 1st 5 years so came as a shock to me when they started doing it.
BUT regardless of my view either for or against ... What I think is out of order is attacking other players who have a complaint against a product they bought.

Whether you agree with the complaint or not, a person on the games official board giving feedback about the product is acceptable. Equally disagreeing with that person is of course also other people's right

What is unacceptable (or offensive as you term it ) to me is attacking the players you (the generic you , not just aimed specifically you) disagree with and THAT is what sours this communities reputation imo.

 

[Cmdr. Numa]

Well, my argument is that either you give it to the top 25%, keeping the original cutoff, or you give it to everyone (I would be fine with either). Introducing a new arbitrary cutoff at 75% is just silly. In particular as, unlike in the analogy, it would not really cost them anything to give it to everyone so there is no "only enough money for top 75%" issue.

Top 75% is exactly what people were asking for earlier, due it being top 75% in the CG where you could win the double engineered missile rack. In last week's supercruise news FD declined it, but must have revisited that decision in light of the CGs having ended so early, seriously limiting peoples' opportunity to take part.

To what proportions this decision has now been blown up by the community over the weekend is disgraceful and abhorrent. FDEV showed a gesture of goodwill and are totally getting their heads ripped of for it for varying reasons. I had my serious difficulty keeping track of all the different opinions and their reasoning over those two days and I can only imagine how it must be for FDEV this morning.

I pity them, and the only real gripe to be had here is that the FSD reward for the AX CG is still not here.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I had my serious difficulty keeping track of all the different opinions and their reasoning over those two days and I can only imagine how it must be for FDEV this morning.

I pity them, and the only real gripe to be had here is that the FSD reward for the AX CG is still not here.

That is the job of the community managers however. FD can choose to take on board or choose to ignore, but so long as no personal attacks are involved that is the very purpose of the discussion forums.
It isn't your job to keep track of all the opinions.

 

[[VR] Orodruin]

Top 75% is exactly what people were asking for earlier

This would have been reasonable if the change was made well ahead of the completion of the community goal as people could then have made a decision to participate or not based on it. Changing the requirements after the fact to anything other than everybody gets one is still silly. If you are going to change things up after the CG is completed, then either you keep the cutoff that was advertised or you give it to everyone.

I was perfectly fine with the 25% cutoff, I would have been perfectly fine with the 75% cutoff had it been announced before the fact, and I would have been perfectly fine with giving it to everyone. The decision to change the cutoff to an arbitrary one (albeit one asked for by the community) after the fact I am not a big fan of even if it does not change anything for me personally.

Edit: And, yes, I am still waiting for my FSD as top 10% of the AX CG.

 

[Arkwright]

can i have a cup of tea please.

 

[Chazzie]

Honestly I’d just be happy if they have us the damn thing at all.

I was well within the threshold for the combat portion and I still don’t have it lol.

Still, for the love of god, everyone stop whining. These rewards are cool, and give everyone more incentive to participate in community goals. I’d hate to see them disappear because feelings are hurt.

Very much this - I took part in the AX part of the CG, worked really, really hard to get into the top 25% and so far have received absolutely nothing.

 

[Fullo111]

Top 75% is exactly what people were asking for earlier, due it being top 75% in the CG where you could win the double engineered missile rack. In last week's supercruise news FD declined it, but must have revisited that decision in light of the CGs having ended so early, seriously limiting peoples' opportunity to take part.

To what proportions this decision has now been blown up by the community over the weekend is disgraceful and abhorrent. FDEV showed a gesture of goodwill and are totally getting their heads ripped of for it for varying reasons. I had my serious difficulty keeping track of all the different opinions and their reasoning over those two days and I can only imagine how it must be for FDEV this morning.

I pity them, and the only real gripe to be had here is that the FSD reward for the AX CG is still not here.

They may just remove the FSD altogether and leave it as it was before. I got my combat bonds and the Top 25% monetary reward as well as the XP to my rank so it was beneficial anyway. I didn't do the CG to get the FSD so I wouldn't be fussed if I didn't get it at all.

 

[Nadreck]

I'm somewhat confused about the logic of giving it to "everyone", and I think different people mean different things when they say that.

Giving it to every PARTICIPANT wouldn't be too bad, and given that it was actually quite easy to get into the top 75% (a single T9 load would have done it), not a lot different to what actually happened. But the people who complained that they chose not to participate at all, on the assumption that they couldn't hit 25%, would still be complaining (possibly even louder).

Giving it to every PLAYER is possibly the most ridiculous suggestion I have ever seen on these forums. All those newbies suddenly get a G5 engineered FSD dumped into their laps for absolutely no in-game reason??? Surely not many people are actually suggesting this???

 

[Kelster87]

They may just remove the FSD altogether and leave it as it was before. I got my combat bonds and the Top 25% monetary reward as well as the XP to my rank so it was beneficial anyway. I didn't do the CG to get the FSD so I wouldn't be fussed if I didn't get it at all.

Love to know why I got notified that this post quoted one of mine..

 

[Fullo111]

Love to know why I got notified that this post quoted one of mine..

Really sorry pal. Haha.
My phone somehow had some of a quote from another thread you posted on and I accidentally posted it. I've edited now.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

I'm somewhat confused about the logic of giving it to "everyone", and I think different people mean different things when they say that.

Giving it to every PARTICIPANT wouldn't be too bad, and given that it was actually quite easy to get into the top 75% (a single T9 load would have done it), not a lot different to what actually happened. But the people who complained that they chose not to participate at all, on the assumption that they couldn't hit 25%, would still be complaining (possibly even louder).

Giving it to every PLAYER is possibly the most ridiculous suggestion I have ever seen on these forums. All those newbies suddenly get a G5 engineered FSD dumped into their laps for absolutely no in-game reason??? Surely not many people are actually suggesting this???

Yeah I'm with you on that. I missed out on the module because I didn't participate, getting it gifted for no effort whatsoever would feel like a participation medal being thrown at me. I don't want it because I made a decision not to get it. I can live with that just fine. Plus it would likely rile up even more people, somewhat understandably.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

can i have a cup of tea please.

Coffee, white 1 sweetener please.

 

[Old Duck]

"Frontier: give the FSD to ALL players, regardless of whether they took part or not"

I have a mod for this! It removes snowflakes from space

Amazingly Realistic Immersion Mod

UPDATE - The latest version of this mod is available in this post from this very long thread. This is the last update I'll be making before Odyssey releases. For those who want more customizations and fine-tuning of their HUD, I recommend checking out EDHM, which is more user friendly than mine...

forums.frontier.co.uk

 

[Cmdr. Numa]

I have a mod for this! It removes snowflakes from space

Amazingly Realistic Immersion Mod

UPDATE - The latest version of this mod is available in this post from this very long thread. This is the last update I'll be making before Odyssey releases. For those who want more customizations and fine-tuning of their HUD, I recommend checking out EDHM, which is more user friendly than mine...

forums.frontier.co.uk

But does it remove special snowflakes too ?

 

[[VR] Orodruin]

I'm somewhat confused about the logic of giving it to "everyone", and I think different people mean different things when they say that.

Giving it to every PARTICIPANT wouldn't be too bad, and given that it was actually quite easy to get into the top 75% (a single T9 load would have done it), not a lot different to what actually happened. But the people who complained that they chose not to participate at all, on the assumption that they couldn't hit 25%, would still be complaining (possibly even louder).

Giving it to every PLAYER is possibly the most ridiculous suggestion I have ever seen on these forums. All those newbies suddenly get a G5 engineered FSD dumped into their laps for absolutely no in-game reason??? Surely not many people are actually suggesting this???

The point is that if you are going to change the requirements after the fact, then it is where you will end up. It is the only place where you can put the cutoff unless you want to have people complaining because they were just below making the cutoff for whatever reason. People would still complain because "n00b dont diseerve eet!" but that's just entitlement talking.

This is why it is better to think about what the cutoff should be before the CG and then stick to that. This is obviously too late now as the cat is out of the bag. The better course of action would have been that, since it was announced at 25%, to leave it at 25% and adjust for future CGs. The best course of action would of course have been to announce it at 75% from the beginning and then give everyone an equal chance, but that did not happen.

 

[BDelacroix]

But does it remove special snowflakes too ?

So long as they are classed as such:

class SpecialSnowflake:: public Snowflake;

 

[Nadreck]

Well, I think it should have been either top 75% from the outset (as the Liz Ryder CG was), or a fixed threshold. Given that it was supposed to be a community event rather than a competitive one (where a trophy for the "winners" would have been more appropriate). As I've said before, arbitrarily locking out three-quarters of all participants was a bad move, especially given the logistical challenge involved in taking part. Anyone who made a significant effort deserved to be rewarded.

Hopefully we will be getting more special rewards like this, it would be disappointing if the fuss causes Frontier to simply bin the concept. As long as they get it right from the outset next time, and don't set a bar that will lock out most of those who actually put the effort in!

 

[Stamford Rider]

So long as they are classed as such:

class SpecialSnowflake:: public Snowflake;

class SpecialSnowflake: protected Snowflake;

Surely?

 

[Eraden]

Wow. Just wow. I think the need for "participation awards" is strong in the OP. There appears to be large numbers of people scattered among the generations going back to and including boomers (my generation), that seem to think that the Universe owes them free stuff. News flash: the Universe owes you NOTHING. Even other people owe you NOTHING. You want something.....WORK FOR IT. I don't have that FSD. Didn't bother to get involved in the event. I don't care about not having it. I don't care that others have it. Good on them for joining the event and working hard to get the reward. Same thing goes for stuff like the Cobra Mk IV. It was a one-time offer to those who were early adopters. I don't have one and don't care to have one (it's a silly ship anyways). People who don't have a Cobra Mk IV need to get over the fact that others do have it. SHEESH.....the sense of entitlement that exists with some people is absolutely silly.

 

[Vetinari]

And then we come to the harsh reality of, if you didn't win, you don't get the prize. If some of us run a 100 metre sprint, and I come 2nd, would it be acceptable for me to request/demand the gold medal? What if I chose not take part in the race and sat in the crowd? Should I get the gold medal then? That is the level of stupidity this tantrum is at.

More like a Driving Test, if you reach the grade you get the reward regardless of how many other people have it as well, its based on your individual contribution, not anybody elses and not compared to anybody else either, you either make the grade or you dont..

That grade should be one delivery, and the CG Completing.

Top 75% is exactly what people were asking for earlier, due it being top 75% in the CG where you could win the double engineered missile rack.

Yes, based entirely on that CG. If that CG was top 33% or top 40% or top 50% thats what people would be saying is 'fair' now....if it had been 25%.....

You want something.....WORK FOR IT. I don't have that FSD. Didn't bother to get involved in the event. I don't care about not having it. I don't care that others have it.

I take it you wont be using any of the new facilities, traders, interstellar factors, mining or ship upgrades in the CSN then as you didn't 'WORK FOR IT'.

btw, this is a game, your attitude of WORK is ridiculous.