Frontier: give the FSD to ALL players, regardless of whether they took part or not

A few things:

1) I'm still trying very hard to figure out why this particular FSD is so massively important that it calls for the amount of outrage in this thread. It's an extra 4-5 LYs of jump range in a game where getting to 50+ of them is a walk in the park. If you're Bucky Balling or just want to speed up your long range trips by, ahem, about 10% then yes, I guess. Look up "Neutron Superhighways" one of these days. They're amazing! But if you're an explorer like I am at times it makes absolutely no sense. Whether I jump 50 LY in a jump or 55, I still get to explore the exact same number of systems per jump, and the number is "1".

Increased range does not make my FSS resolve faster and it doesn't make me accelerate faster in SC.

It makes as much sense to me as the hysteria over Miss Ryder's Rack (excellent name for a band, by the way), a lightweight version of a module that nobody hardly ever uses. Which is to say "no sense whatsoever".

2) The principle of it. That, I DO understand. Setting the goalposts wrong (as I believe they were in this case) in the first place is bad. Moving them after the fact is worse. Again, in view of the above, in my personal opinion I would have to make a concerted effort to care less than I already do if I were to only consider the value of the module in question, but the principle of the whole thing I do understand. That doesn't mean "OK, so now give it to everybody!" If two wrongs don't make a right, three of them in a row don't either. FDev should, in my opinion, have stuck to their guns and resolved to never make the same mistake again.

3) Think about it, though: The goalposts were moving all through the CG. "Top 25%" today isn't necessarily "Top 25%" tomorrow, as many CMDRs who took part (I didn't because I didn't care for the shiny and couldn't have even if I did) found out to their dismay when they woke up the next morning only to find out that their hard work had been rendered null and void (assuming they only did it for the FSD) because they were now only in the "Top 26%" and the CG had ended.

So I propose that future CGs have a hard cutoff for when you get the "shiny", if indeed we need a "shiny" in the first place to get people to participate. We surely didn't in the past, so I don't quite understand why we suddenly do now. Make the cutoff so that you have to show some dedication, not just a token "I ran", but at least so you know that if you hit that point, you've got it. And if you don't, you ain't got it. Simple.

The rest can compete among themselves for being in the top ten as well as enjoying the higher financial rewards. Bragging rights. They're not bad, you know. I sure didn't go to Hutton to fulfill some altruistic goal or to make a lot of dosh, I went there just so I could say that I'd done it. Whether people believe me or not doesn't matter, I know I did it, and that's all that does matter. To me.

Not that I'm going "bah humbug" at altruism, because I'm not. Had I had the opportunity, I would have participated, "shiny" or not, simply because I like the idea of new settlements, new stations to visit and the general spread into the galaxy. And I would have loved to fly by those new stations later on being able to think "I helped build that", and no amount of ultimately unnecessary doodads offered as rewards would have made me more proud than just knowing that would have.

Anyway, I've rambled for entirely too long, so I'll just see myself out now so's not to interrupt the Regularly Scheduled Outrage™.

Post-edit: Please, FDev, be careful with the "shinies." The two offered so far are hardly "game-breaking" or even noticeable, which is fine, it's mainly novelty value, but if you were ever to include a "shiny" like, say, a Long Range/Efficient Beam Laser, the ultimate response/result would not be something you would want.
 
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More like a Driving Test, if you reach the grade you get the reward regardless of how many other people have it as well, its based on your individual contribution, not anybody elses and not compared to anybody else either, you either make the grade or you dont..

That grade should be one delivery, and the CG Completing.



Yes, based entirely on that CG. If that CG was top 33% or top 40% or top 50% thats what people would be saying is 'fair' now....if it had been 25%.....



I take it you wont be using any of the new facilities, traders, interstellar factors, mining or ship upgrades in the CSN then as you didn't 'WORK FOR IT'.

btw, this is a game, your attitude of WORK is ridiculous.
Your attitude of expecting everything to be handed to you is what is ridiculous. Grow up. Like I said before. The Universe owes you NOTHING. That includes game content. If you want it, then get involved and work/play for it. If there are any new features of the game that are opened up because of the work/play done by others, I will be heartily grateful to them for helping to build content. The immediate rewards they received for making that effort, though, are theirs and THEIRS ALONE. I have no problem with this. It their reward for the effort they have put in.
 
In reply to MishaTX above:

1) I'm not greatly disappointed that I missed out on the FSD. As I mentioned in my earlier post I made a decision, based on the requirement to get into the top 25%, that I could not achieve that goal and therefore I was better off doing other things.

2) Agreed.

3) Those particular moving goalposts are part of every CG. They are part of the 'rules'. They factored into my decision not to participate. I understood that I not only had to get up to the current top 25% threshold, but that I also needed to go beyond that, to try to not fall out of that tier after I ran out of play time. When I considered signing up for the CG early Sunday, I knew that I would need to do all that in a single play session. I couldn't do the top 25%, but the top 75%? Absolutely. If only I had known Frontier was going to change the rules!

The fact is that the CG started with the condition that you needed to be in the top 25% to get the FSD, and it ended with that condition too. The fundamental issue is that after it was all over, the rules were changed and the FSD was given out to the top 75%.

Frontier are now in a no-win situation. I (I can't speak for anyone else) now think they're a bunch of gutless wonders. The only way they could change that and restore their integrity in my eyes would be to revert back to the original CG 'rules' and take the FSD away from the 25%-75% tier contributors. Imagine the salt THAT would unleash! Somehow, I can't see that happening.
 
Your attitude of expecting everything to be handed to you is what is ridiculous. Grow up. Like I said before. The Universe owes you NOTHING. That includes game content. If

Wow you got a big chip on your shoulder dont you? And you assume a lot. I played on the Thu - Sun and got the FSD thankyou. I can still have an opinion or support or other members of the Community who couldnt play on the Thu - Sun and whether thats balanced or not.

'Game Content' is what I paid for when I bought the game, it kinda does owe me some. If there was no game content there isnt actually a game, just looking at pretty screenshots is not a game, see Star Citizen, but as usual the actual point is not that but is actually 'Is it right that Community events exclude some members of the Community either by accident or design?'

You see? Its nothing to do with WORK or the Universe owing me NOTHING at all, thats your own personal issue with the world and youve superimposed it onto this discussion, thats your problem not mine.

Why dont you grow up and get some help with the anger? Getting that mad about people you know nothing about and shouting at them like youre an old man shouting nonsense at children and expecting respect doesnt cut it on a written forum.

Stop bringing RL into it, this is purely a game, its played for enjoyment and has nothing to do with RL at all apart from how much free time you have to play the game.
 
Wow you got a big chip on your shoulder dont you? And you assume a lot. I played on the Thu - Sun and got the FSD thankyou. I can still have an opinion or support or other members of the Community who couldnt play on the Thu - Sun and whether thats balanced or not.

'Game Content' is what I paid for when I bought the game, it kinda does owe me some. If there was no game content there isnt actually a game, just looking at pretty screenshots is not a game, see Star Citizen, but as usual the actual point is not that but is actually 'Is it right that Community events exclude some members of the Community either by accident or design?'

You see? Its nothing to do with WORK or the Universe owing me NOTHING at all, thats your own personal issue with the world and youve superimposed it onto this discussion, thats your problem not mine.

Why dont you grow up and get some help with the anger? Getting that mad about people you know nothing about and shouting at them like youre an old man shouting nonsense at children and expecting respect doesnt cut it on a written forum.

Stop bringing RL into it, this is purely a game, its played for enjoyment and has nothing to do with RL at all apart from how much free time you have to play the game.
It's attitudes like yours that are causing a LOT of things to go haywire. Real life, games, you name it. There are far too many people like you that are ruining damn near everything with this attitude that you are OWED whatever you think you are owed just for being there. And to top it off, a lot of people that I have met with that kind of attitude don't want to take any responsibility for the trouble they cause. So yes, if I seem a bit salty, it's because that kind of attitude is ruining a LOT of things. No, Frontier doesn't OWE you anything. What you got for your money is ACCESS to the game. If the developers do not provide enough content to suit your tastes, you have the right to move on. If Frontier wants to keep a customer base in the face of competition, they will work hard to try and provide content that pleases their customers. This doesn't mean that they owe us anything other than access, though. To give you an idea of how silly your notion that everyone should be rewarded, if taken to the extreme, it would mean that everyone gets to have an Olympic medal, because some people got one. See how ridiculous that is? Or maybe you don't.
 
it would mean that everyone gets to have an Olympic medal, because some people got one. See how ridiculous that is? Or maybe you don't.

No it would mean that all England footballers get a Cap for playing for England, not just if they score....or that all soldiers get a Campaign Medal whether they were under fire or not....but you obviously think its dishonourable

As you obviously missed it, I did get the FSD so in your imagination I did WORK for it and did earn it by being in the top 25%, so it is owed to me. I am a Gold Medal Winner by your terms, youre the loser by your terms, not me. Deal with your loss better please instead of getting so worked up.

Access to the game? This isnt Star Citizen. We dont need excuses like that and thats why Frontier doesnt use them. Its petty and childish and it doesnt hold water unless its a con.

Are you upset you are losing some sort of privilege coz thats how its coming across, 'Why should everyone be equal to me?' I repeat, its a game, players who play a game normally expect to have all gameplay open to them or accessible to them at some point, not given or owed to them, just accessible to them. If not the game is unbalanced.

And please stop shouting, its getting boring. In real life you may shout and people are scared and shut up, but it doesnt work here. You have no power here more than anyone else, you dont get to shout and people shut up. A piece of wisdom you should take on board:

'A man convinced against his will, is of the the same opinion still'

It means shouting doesn't work and just coz someone goes silent doesn't mean you won or they have changed their mind, it means they are just so bored of you they cant be bothered to speak anymore.
 
Message to all three players that still give a damn:

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No it would mean that all England footballers get a Cap for playing for England, not just if they score....or that all soldiers get a Campaign Medal whether they were under fire or not....but you obviously think its dishonourable

As you obviously missed it, I did get the FSD so in your imagination I did WORK for it and did earn it by being in the top 25%, so it is owed to me. I am a Gold Medal Winner by your terms, youre the loser by your terms, not me. Deal with your loss better please instead of getting so worked up.

Access to the game? This isnt Star Citizen. We dont need excuses like that and thats why Frontier doesnt use them. Its petty and childish and it doesnt hold water unless its a con.

Are you upset you are losing some sort of privilege coz thats how its coming across, 'Why should everyone be equal to me?' I repeat, its a game, players who play a game normally expect to have all gameplay open to them or accessible to them at some point, not given or owed to them, just accessible to them. If not the game is unbalanced.

And please stop shouting, its getting boring. In real life you may shout and people are scared and shut up, but it doesnt work here. You have no power here more than anyone else, you dont get to shout and people shut up. A piece of wisdom you should take on board:

'A man convinced against his will, is of the the same opinion still'

It means shouting doesn't work and just coz someone goes silent doesn't mean you won or they have changed their mind, it means they are just so bored of you they cant be bothered to speak anymore.
Wow. Just wow. I am now having to suspect you are delusional as well, because the only one here who is projecting is you. Yes, I did see that you mentioned you had won an FSD. Good for you. You entered the competition and worked/played hard to win one. I respect that. I also am not upset that you have one and I don't. I wasn't interested in it and didn't bother playing for it. I never "lost" anything because I never competed for it. I don't have to "deal with it" because I am not angry about it. You are simply projecting your views on to others (in this case me). When I bold certain words it is to emphasize them because they are important. You once again are projecting some sort "shouting" match. If this was really a shouting match, one would likely see both combatants putting everything in caps. In my view this defeats the purpose of emphasis because if every word is emphasized no words are. Just the same as if every person is a winner, no one is. I'm sorry you can't see that you paid to have access. That is not an excuse. It is reality. Go ahead and try to push Frontier or any other company on that matter. Don't be surprised if you get laughed at. The analogy I posted, by the way, while rather extreme, is quite valid. There was a specific reward for that event and a specific requirement for achieving that reward. Your analogy about campaign medals is a failed one. The soldiers participating in that campaign would have indeed met the requirements for the medal and therefore would have been awarded one. While I am a bit cranky about your attitude regarding this event, I bear you specifically no malice. I don't know you. I don't know what motivates you in life. Therefore my responses have been specifically about the attitude you have been displaying here. You on the other hand, have been projecting all sorts of negative behaviors and descriptives towards me. Think about that.
 
Hey, I was not able to do the Community Goal.

Any chance that the double engineered FSD could be made available at the tech broker? I would really like one. I did not know that CG's were a thing again, because we had not had them for 8 months or so.
 
Completely missed it, too... how is that thing engineered exactly?
It's increased range and fast boot, special effect is changeable. With mass manager it gives an exploration ship ~5 ly more range. It runs a little hot though, so on some combat ships you might need thermal spread. I'd love an increased range/shielded variant, but I doubt we'll see that.
 
It's increased range and fast boot, special effect is changeable. With mass manager it gives an exploration ship ~5 ly more range. It runs a little hot though, so on some combat ships you might need thermal spread. I'd love an increased range/shielded variant, but I doubt we'll see that.
So for me as an Explorer, with say a 50LY jump range 'Conda, for each 1000LY plotted route it'll only take 18.1 jumps (so 19 jumps) instead of 20 jumps.............:unsure:

.................well, I go out Exploring with my Carrier & can hop on & jump up to 500LYs whenever I want, so that negates any advantage of even having one of these gadgets, that I wasn't bothered to do the CG for......

......now if it trebled or quadrupled my 'Conda's FSD range, then that would be worth being narked about not getting one.......if I did the CG;)
 
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