Frontier, if you need more beta testers then make beta free
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DittoFTFY
"I don't care"
Part of maintaining goodwill amongst your customers while running a business is at least trying to appear like you're not greedy. As well as offering good value for money. The fact that, as a business, they're trying to sell me beta like it is a product they can offer ME is what is tasteless to me. That's like Starbucks sending me emails to pay them in order to test their latest flavours of coffee. I'd tell them the same thing I'm saying here to Frontier.
Secondly: like I said my OP, FD are not struggling for cash and they have a hug pool of cosmetics in their store to use as an adequate avenue of revenue sources - there's like 60+ items in there worth a combined total of over £1000. Honest question: did you even read what I wrote before posting?
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That's not the issue though. You have the perfect forum name
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All the crying I see here is coming from the fanboy contingent.
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The term "beta" has been horribly watered down these days.
Many younger folks genuinely believe they're demos, not tests.
If an entry fee keeps the riff-raff out, I'm game.
Oh, and I don't have access.
Many younger folks genuinely believe they're demos, not tests.
If an entry fee keeps the riff-raff out, I'm game.
Oh, and I don't have access.
It seems so. It doesn't take much to get the fanboy jimmies rustled lately. All one needs to do is disagree calmly and politely with something that FD are doing and boom! Fanboy pandemonium.
It depends what you mean by 'needs more testers'.
It's not as if all the Beta bugs that get raised now get fixed, it's pretty much only the showstoppers which get found anyway.
Finding more little bugs isn't going to make the release build any better.
It's not as if all the Beta bugs that get raised now get fixed, it's pretty much only the showstoppers which get found anyway.
Finding more little bugs isn't going to make the release build any better.
You don't seem to understand how an effective beta period is handled. Keeping the "riff-raff" out is, with all due respect, a nonsense statement. There's people that payed for early access just to play with the new features and do no actual testing or reporting of bugs whatsoever - are they "riff-raff" to you as well? Hey man, they paid for early access and they're doing what they want with that access.
The same thing happens with every free beta out there. There are always going to be people who just play around with the game in addition to people who put in the work to actually test and break the game and report back to the devs. Paying for beta doesn't magically transform everyone who payed for it into a dedicated tester. All it does is lower the potential number of people participating. Use your brain.
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I agree, it would seem as if FDev looks for every opportunity to get as much money as they can. I guess some people are okay with this because they're a business and blah blah blah but they are getting a bad reputation with this. Customers are not brainless cash machines (well, most aren't).
And let's not forget that, in the CMDR creator trailer, they used material that won't be available for the player (unless you pay extra!).
And let's not forget that, in the CMDR creator trailer, they used material that won't be available for the player (unless you pay extra!).
Not really:
- AFAIR beta testing patches was originally a perk of Kickstarter backers. Those people paid a $ value for that perk, giving it away would be unfair to those players.
- similarly people have paid for beta access to S2. Giving away beta at this point would obviously devalue their smaller investment.
- I'm not aware that FD need any more beta testers. There seem to be plenty of bug reports already.
But, it's a free forum... if people want to ignore the hundreds of previous threads on this subject, then feel free
.[in truth, you aren't really missing anything by waiting for 2.3]
Adding a whole load of 'testers' that have no knowledge of the game and inviting them to feedback to the Devs is a recipe for disaster. Its like inviting the public as a whole, rather than the patrons of a resturaunt on whether new menu items should be permanently added or not.
Its for the patrons (Existing ED players) who know how the game plays, who are best able to identify issues and feedback given its a game they know. Further, those that pay for beta access have a literal investment in the success of the game.
Randoms do not.
Worst case scenario is a new mechanic added by overwhelming demand of people who have no intention of playing the game long term.
Its for the patrons (Existing ED players) who know how the game plays, who are best able to identify issues and feedback given its a game they know. Further, those that pay for beta access have a literal investment in the success of the game.
Randoms do not.
Worst case scenario is a new mechanic added by overwhelming demand of people who have no intention of playing the game long term.
yes, that's sails close to false advertisment. But what Sean could do...
"Note – You will be unable to access this product without Elite Dangerous and the Elite Dangerous: Horizons Season Pass"
It's only open to those who have the base game and the season pass.
Part of maintaining goodwill amongst your customers while running a business is at least trying to appear like you're not greedy. As well as offering good value for money. The fact that, as a business, they're trying to sell me beta like it is a product they can offer ME is what is tasteless to me. That's like Starbucks sending me emails to pay them in order to test their latest flavours of coffee. I'd tell them the same thing I'm saying here to Frontier.
Secondly: like I said my OP, FD are not struggling for cash and they have a hug pool of cosmetics in their store to use as an adequate avenue of revenue sources - there's like 60+ items in there worth a combined total of over £1000. Honest question: did you even read what I wrote before posting?
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That's not the issue though. You have the perfect forum name
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All the crying I see here is coming from the fanboy contingent.
Take it up with the consumer base and not the business. People are more than happy to pay for beta access for video games. They can do whatever they want with their money.
What does that have to do with FD trying to sell me the beta via marketing email? I know full well that some of the early backers were stupid enough to ask to pay for beta and thus gave FD carte blanche. How does that make FD any less tasteless in trying to sell players the beta as if it is a service/product they can offer them? An information newsletter informing you of something is different to a marketing email trying to sell you something and this is clearly a marketing email.
That's also not the point: I am also fully aware that I am not missing anything. The hundreds of previous threads you are referring to most probably are 80/90% about how beta should be free. I am giving FD feedback on the fact that they are being too pushy in their tactic of charging for beta.- I'm not aware that FD need any more beta testers. There seem to be plenty of bug reports already.
But, it's a free forum... if people want to ignore the hundreds of previous threads on this subject, then feel free
[in truth, you aren't really missing anything by waiting for 2.3]
By all means continue charging for it, I'll keep not buying it. But lay off trying to advertise it to me like it is an extra perk that is of benefit to me rather than the company that needs volunteers to do a job (charging those volunteers is the icing on the cake of course).
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I would love to help test in beta but do not have access so I won't and that's a little disappointing, but not worth $10 to remove that disappointment.
Its a downfall of kickstarter funding when a backer tier is beta access forever and you open them up to everyone later on you'll get a ton of lip service from those folks who paid. I hate to use the term that "we're lucky" you can buy in at all at this point but if the option wasn't there the pool of testers would dwindle as people get tired of the game and go on to other things.
Its a downfall of kickstarter funding when a backer tier is beta access forever and you open them up to everyone later on you'll get a ton of lip service from those folks who paid. I hate to use the term that "we're lucky" you can buy in at all at this point but if the option wasn't there the pool of testers would dwindle as people get tired of the game and go on to other things.
I am part of the consumer base, albeit not the part that would pay for anything and everything. And I can surely display my opinion and feedback in whatever way I want.
As was mentioned earlier in the thread:
I'm not a fanboy but even I pay enough attention to remember the calls for beta access and why beta buy-in was reinstated as an option in the store.
- Frontier added the option to buy in to beta due to demand for access.
- Nowhere has Frontier said they needed more testers.
- If the company opened the option up due to demand and it's free revenue for them to allow people early access for a small fee, why is it wrong to advertise it to their user base?
- The fanboy base isn't erupting because you're attacking Frontier, they're coming in on the defensive because the OP literally puts words in Frontier's mouth.
I'm not a fanboy but even I pay enough attention to remember the calls for beta access and why beta buy-in was reinstated as an option in the store.
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