Still no luck with Mobius on the my Xbox (not a criticism of the Mobious team).
Just saying...
Just saying...
Frontier. Please make a PVE mode to this game.
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You know what I want? Effective punishment and consequences for crimes such as player killing with no in-game context. But that should have been in from day one, it was such an obvious requirement. We're two years past release and still don't have anything more than talk (and a few tweaks to bounties and security response times) that Frontier is working on it. And no idea yet whether whatever they implement, karma system included, will even be effective, nor do we know how much longer we have to wait. And then it'll be rebalanced and rebalanced and.......well, you know the drill. Failing effective punishment/consequences I'd prefer a contextual PvP flag approach, but I think we all know how that discussion goes. Meanwhile there's a significant demand for an open PvE mode that, implementation considerations aside, would, in the opinion of many especially a significant portion (though not all) of the PvE community, solve much of the problem. Instead we have players departing open for solo or private groups, and having to resort to Mobius for an open PvE fix yet even that is split over multiple groups so can NEVER be a truly open PvE experience or solution. Not to mention the Mobius option has outstripped what private groups were intended to support. And how is it fair for Frontier to continue leveraging off the need for player, not developer, management of the group (eg membership) when the KS itself proposed multiple open groups with differing rulesets. And it was reasonable at the time, and still is, to interpret that among those differing rulesets would be a PvE-only option. That's why I'm on board for an open PvE mode now - Frontier have simply taken too long to address the punishment question and I fear what's coming will be too little too late, not to mention yet another balancing nightmare as you and I know there'll be those who complain about whatever measures Frontier put in place.
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Don't forget the recent poll that showed 66% in favour of such a mode (on c.900 votes).
Show me a poll with real representation to the order of 40,000 players voted. This forum is by no means a metric upon which to judge player likes or dislikes as a whole.
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Hey, I've been spamming David & Co with PM's begging for them to strip Group/Solo from the game and code it so CMDR's exploded in a shower of gold coins and precious engineering materials, and they've basically just been ignoring me. So don't feel bad that your personal tastes aren't being exclusively catered to either, gang
You mean like the Goblins in Diablo III?
That would be kind of cool.
Good god no. A PVE mode was never part of this games vision and should not be added.
Personally I'd prefer improved NPC police response, a better criminal system, a more information available to players via the galaxy map as to where the safer areas of space are.
You can already avoid all possibility of PVP via playing in solo or with a group of trusted friends.
Geez what more do you want.
Personally I'd prefer improved NPC police response, a better criminal system, a more information available to players via the galaxy map as to where the safer areas of space are.
You can already avoid all possibility of PVP via playing in solo or with a group of trusted friends.
Geez what more do you want.
I play a lot in open, I only got killed a few time by the same guy cause he just camp outside the station in MAIA. I was in a ASP with no guns. So after I spend about 6 mil in insurance, I switch to solo get out of there and switch to open again. I tend to disagree with you that people in open are active seeking to kill other players. Of course there will always be and pricks and griefrs but that are in all games.
Some places I go like eng bases have lots of people, I never got any problem, why? Because the cops are around and they help sometimes.
I remember a situation where I got into a eng base and the pads were all full, I asked in the chat if someone could just leave for 5 minutes, I just needed to land give the stuff to him cause I was griding to open access to him. So it was just a deliver mission.
A random guy just told me he will leave for me to land, he just ask if I was only taking 5 minutes because he was gridind some blueprints. I said yea, less then 5! The guy came out, I landed, toke off, said thx and goodbye. I was pretty proud of finding someone like that. Also I already have nice scare encounters with other players were they interdict me and let me go, claiming "it was for fun and practice". There are people and there are people, and the bad people are maybe like 15% of the player base in Elite.
Also, talking about this, I remember when I was in a RES site, this guy on a Sidy keeps harassing me and getting my kills. I warned him once, then twice, he never reply and keep doing the same thing. Suffice to say, the third time I warned him with my weapons while he was fighting a conda (losing) and I kill him. Let the cops kill me to hurry up with lame bounty stuff on Elite and went back to the RES site. Couple minutes he shows up and asked my why I killed him.....
So yea....
Some places I go like eng bases have lots of people, I never got any problem, why? Because the cops are around and they help sometimes.
I remember a situation where I got into a eng base and the pads were all full, I asked in the chat if someone could just leave for 5 minutes, I just needed to land give the stuff to him cause I was griding to open access to him. So it was just a deliver mission.
A random guy just told me he will leave for me to land, he just ask if I was only taking 5 minutes because he was gridind some blueprints. I said yea, less then 5! The guy came out, I landed, toke off, said thx and goodbye. I was pretty proud of finding someone like that. Also I already have nice scare encounters with other players were they interdict me and let me go, claiming "it was for fun and practice". There are people and there are people, and the bad people are maybe like 15% of the player base in Elite.
Also, talking about this, I remember when I was in a RES site, this guy on a Sidy keeps harassing me and getting my kills. I warned him once, then twice, he never reply and keep doing the same thing. Suffice to say, the third time I warned him with my weapons while he was fighting a conda (losing) and I kill him. Let the cops kill me to hurry up with lame bounty stuff on Elite and went back to the RES site. Couple minutes he shows up and asked my why I killed him.....
So yea....
The results of the forum poll over instant ship/module transfer differed from the results of the official poll by less than a third of a percent, plus/minus any rounding Sandro did when announcing in the official result. We don't (yet) know if it's repeatable, but the only available data suggests that this forum presents a representative sample of the playerbase as a whole.
Umm, solo? Sounds pretty PvE to me and it's one of the modes to boot. Also the original design included offline mode - also PvE, even though it was dropped. It is arguable whether a PvE mode would have been one of the intended multiple open modes but we'll probably never know that one way or the other.
Sorry but this is factually wrong. Assuming a Confidence Level of 95% and 300'000 active players, the poll result is valid within an Error margin of +/-3.3% Max.
And considering the clear majority from the vote, I would assume the actual Error Margin is much smaller than that...
EDIT: 900 voters are sufficient for either 300'000, 400'000 or even 1'000'000 players...
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While you are correct in your assertion about the error margin on the poll size versus population size it is not however correct to infer the forum polls are therefore accurate. To be able to make such an assertion you have to ensure that the sample polled is a representative sample and does not have an inbuilt bias. Forum polls need to be taken with a pinch of salt because of the self selecting nature of those taking part. Much as any online poll where people can choose to take part. For some poll questions forum people may be a representative sample, for others they may not.
Note this is not saying the forum poll is either wrong or right on this occasion just pointing out your statement of error margin is not necessarily correct
So simple it's almost wrong!
Seriously, I wonder if there's technical reasons for the group size limit, or it was just some arbitrary value they set originally, never expecting it to be reached.
to my knowledge there are actual hard caps in the way groups where implemented that are actually not changable by frontier. that leads me to suspect that it is not their code that is the issue but some underlying backend tech from amazon (or perhaps one of the other 3rd party tools they are using in the backend) that has the limitation... they did state during the first mobius split that the hard cap was not something they could actually change...
Rule sets would be required (by definition) to be both configurable (by frontier only), and that they could be pertinent to the chosen playstyle the rule set relates to...
Because they actually mentioned it as a feature in the kickstarter, one can (reasonably) take away from that, that there is actually the frame work inside the codebase already for different rule sets...
If that actual frame work is NOT inside the code base already, then they have definitely renegged on one fairly important aspect of the kickstarter WITHOUT telling anybody about it...
Yes I can appreciate that rule sets could indeed be complicated affairs to both program and manage, but the framework should already be in place for it...
I do not think for a moment that frontier meant that the rule sets would be private group agreements, my reasoning for this is the debacle of SDC subverting into mobius and attacking players and frontiers (IMHO idiotic) response of it's a private group so we cannot enforce the EULA and TOS unless said players who where banned try to circumvent the ban with secondary accounts...
Obviously it is a bit of a legal mindfield that PG's bring to the game I am guessing... Personally I think FD should have stood up and said "well this is not acceptable behaviour" and then either outright banned the players at an account level from ever entering ANY private group ever again, but noo that did not happen... sadly... Yet the SDC wanted to place the blame on MOBIUS for accepting the players into the group without 'vetting' them first...
Of course the defecationstorm that happened after FDEVS initial response is a matter of history, myself (and no doubt other players) actually boycotted the store for the most part of 2016 after the SDC -> MOBIUS incursion...
That is in part the reason for wanting an actual OPEN PVE MODE, the damage done as a result of that sort of event still lingers today... And I honestly think will continue to linger in PVE players minds for some time to come, especially the lacklustre response initially from frontier community manager Zac...
What would be great (for everyone including frontier developments) in my personal opinion would be a poll on the actual game client similar to the one they did with the ship transfer function... something as important as a new mode should have a simple poll that allows all players of ED to participate in... Then, and only then, will a true and complete representation of the entire players base be possible and then of course it would be up to them to follow through with whatever the outcome from such a poll is...
1 question and 2 responses... Would you play in an OPEN PVE mode, yes or no...
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There hasn't been a single dev response in the 2000+ that have been made in this thread.
I wouldn't hold out on any hope of a poll for a feature they are not even discussing with us.
I suspect the poll will never happen because they may get a response that means they have to do something. With companies the only way to hit them if they aren't doing what the customers want is in the wallet. This is exactly what eve players did during the gold ammo saga when they first introduced a store into eve. There was a huge thread in the forums of people saying they would unsubscribe if CCP did not give a commitment to not sell game affecting stuff in the store, I believe enough did follow through that CCP had to give way
Robert Maynard
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Given DBOBE's comments on the Engineers launch stream, it would seem that Frontier are pinning their hopes on revisions to the C&P system (and, presumably, the karma system mentioned by Sandro) to encourage players back into Open - in which case, they're not going to start discussions on an additional Open mode that they hope not to have to implement.
It remains to be seen how effective changes to C&P / the introduction of a karma system will be in relation to encouraging players who eschew PvP back into Open. Frontier could be considering other forms of encouragement to play in Open as well, of course, but none have been hinted yet at as far as I know (apart from the Powerplay Open Bonus multiplier "hand grenade" that Sandro introduced a while ago, of course).
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Robert Maynard
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This makes me rather glad that Frontier have not gone down the subscription route for their game.
doesnt matter robert, if enough refuse to buy next season if there isnt an open pve mode then fdev will bend. That is of course assuming there is sufficient support for an open pve mode which is unknown. Subscription is only one way of hitting in the pocket. As to crime and punishment we already know that has failed. A decent crime and punishment system that allows meaningful pvp yet makes murder hobo'ing rare has been attempted over and over again in the gaming industry. No one has yet managed it, FDev does not inspire me with confidence that they can pull off what others havent
I would agree if the sample size would be much smaller. However at 900 voters and looking at previous polls results AND the significant majority result (we are not in a 45%-55% bracket), the results are absolutely relevant.
You cannot use the "biased population" argument in this case as no vote manipulation seemed to have occurred (multiple account created for purpose of answering, call for "ballot stuffing" from other platform/site...).
The time frame was random, the poll opening time is limited (adding to the randomness), no significant event (Private Group invasion for example) could have influenced as well the voters.
I can guarantee that the population who voted was Random in statistical term. If you have 900 random persons as a sample size, participating in such poll, the results will be indeed correct within a 3% Error Margin considering the relatively small player base.
If it's Random, it is representative by nature. Remember, I assumed a 95% Confidence Level, which is a safe/conservative assumption considering previous similar polls.
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I am not holding out any hope Marra, just opining that it would be great if they actually did a poll on this issue similar to the last one they did through the game client...
Indeed... The whole thing is, (from at least my standpoint) they are over 400 AUD out of pocket from me personally, as I had a $500 AUD budget I intended to spend in the store for merchandise in 2016, which did not happen after the debacle of a response from FDEV initially with regards to the SDC incursion into mobius... I did not spend a dime until the xmas paint job sales... and still I have refused to buy any actual merch and won't be until after 1 year has passed since the incursion, so around the end of feb I MIGHT resume buying merch through the store again, I actually believe some other commanders did a similar boycott but I could be wrong...
Of course, with the xbox sales and so on, my money is just a drop in the ocean... but principle is principle!!!
There have been numerous polls run, I run one over a year ago asking if people would like to see an OPEN PVE MODE on the login screen ... I ran the poll for 1 month, over 1100 respondants and a little over 55% on the poll in the affirmative as well as a couple of PVP proponents who actually wished they could change their vote from no to yes...
This is an issue that has been ongoing for a long long time
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