Frontier. Please make a PVE mode to this game.

[Falcon_D]

We don't need PvE. You can be in the bubble in open and not run into any human players for ages. Just don't hang around hotspots and you won't get ganked. Simples.

And why would people settle for playing in only part of the game if the don't play the game your way?

Most of the arguments against Open PvE seems all about "play it my way or hit the high way"? Open PvE mode is not going to do away with Open PvP mode. Yet the PvP players seem to be scared to the bone that Open PvE would somehow render their gameplay irrelevant (actually it kind of already is.) An Open PvE mode just adds to the Open/Group/Solo mode. And takes nothing away.

People on this forums are also suggesting that all the players suddenly get together and play the PvE game in the face of the Alien menance. So now PvP becomes irrelevant again?

This is a PvE game where the devs decided that players can shoot each other. Why? Cause there is no Solo offline mode( and some really "smart" people came up with this "brilliant" theory (lie) that MMO = PvP.) So any game mechanic has to consider the promises FDev made to the backers who wanted Solo offline and got Solo online. Guess what people, Solo mode has no PvP cause you can't meet other people? Simples?

The only thing that's actually lacking is Open PvE for those not really interested in showing off their epeen and being l337. Or old men trying the feel "alive".

 

[Heavenly-Hammer]

But think of it, with this much salt you could have trillions.

Did he...rustle your jimmies?

He's not wrong.

Yet the PvP players seem to be scared to the bone that Open PvE would somehow render their gameplay irrelevant (actually it kind of already is.)

And takes nothing away.

That is an impressive amount of cognitive dissonance. lol.

Also, say it with me: "Open is not just for PvP. Open != PvP. Me saying Open = PvP doesn't make it true."

Say it 7 times, please. Out loud.

 

[Ian Skippy]

For what its worth: loads and loads of players in the Pleiades. Encountered one obvious murderer so left him, and had tons of conversations with other players investigating the alien reports. Fun!

 

[Littlerift]

But then how is someone supposed to stack the exploited missions of the months in order to acquire the most expensive ship that will trivialise all content, so that they then complain that the AI is so easy to the point where it gets jacked up so high that new players end up meeting anacondas the moment they leave the mail slot, so that they force FD to balance around big ships and make the usage of smaller ships the worst decision someone can make and so that they advocate for changes that only reinforce the ships that they "worked so hard for"?

So much projection right here.

 

[Rustled Jimmy]

Oh what a contribution and intellectual comeback that is. Never heard that one before.

And your petulent, entitled banter has changed the world!

* slow clap*

 

[Apos]

So much projection right here.

Ìf by projection you mean being around long enough to be getting tired about the same scenario unfolding over and over again, sure.

But I forgot that people are only licensed to be outraged about the "griefers" around these parts, otherwise their complaints are not legitimate.

My own gameplay has been griefed much more by the self-proclaimed "PvE" crowd farming skimmer missions than from the PvP playerbase which has killed me once or twice and cost me a couple million credits. Or back when they were farming merits for PP and they flipped Leesti to an independent dictatorship. They never wanted it, they "only wanted to farm their credits peacefully", and yet people had to devote time to fix their crap and turn Leesti back to the Alliance.

Tell me more more about your "PvE" hurting noone.

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And your petulent, entitled banter has changed the world!

* slow clap*

Oh sorry, I missed the part where the "PvE" players reacted like gentlemen to the presence of PvPers.

 

[Rustled Jimmy]

"He's not wrong."

Yes he is, and has been Proven so several times in this thread.

Try harder.

 

[Falcon_D]

Did he...rustle your jimmies?

He's not wrong.



That is an impressive amount of cognitive dissonance. lol.

Also, say it with me: "Open is not just for PvP. Open != PvP. Me saying Open = PvP doesn't make it true."

Say it 7 times, please. Out loud.

Lol.. come on laugh with me. As that's what some seem to think.

Come say it with me.... Open is PvE where you can shoot people.

Say it... Say and believe in the words. Come and be enlightened. Say it out loud and let the heavens cry...

Edit: Big words hope you know what they actually mean.

 

[Rustled Jimmy]

Ìf by projection you mean being around long enough to be getting tired about the same scenario unfolding over and over again, sure.

But I forgot that people are only licensed to be outraged about the "griefers" around these parts, otherwise their complaints are not legitimate.

My own gameplay has been griefed much more by the self-proclaimed "PvE" crowd farming skimmer missions than from the PvP playerbase which has killed me once or twice and cost me a couple million credits. Or back when they were farming merits for PP and they flipped Leesti to an independent dictatorship. They never wanted it, they "only wanted to farm their credits peacefully", and yet people had to devote time to fix their crap and turn Leesti back to the Alliance.

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Oh sorry, I missed the part where the "PvE" players reacted like gentlemen to the presence of PvPers.

I have for this entire thread, right up until you started copy pasting the same crap that has been said 5 times in this thread. Which has been debunked. Not my fault you can't think of any actual reason not to create a requested game mode.

We both know it's because you won't have anyone to pick on and make yourself feel better.

Just say it.

 

[Littlerift]

Ìf by projection you mean being around long enough to be getting tired about the same scenario unfolding over and over again, sure.

But I forgot that people are only licensed to be outraged about the "griefers" around these parts, otherwise their complaints are not legitimate.

My own gameplay has been griefed much more by the self-proclaimed "PvE" crowd farming skimmer missions than from the PvP playerbase which has killed me once or twice and cost me a couple million credits. Or back when they were farming merits for PP and they flipped Leesti to an independent dictatorship. They never wanted it, they "only wanted to farm their credits peacefully", and yet people had to devote time to fix their crap and turn Leesti back to the Alliance.

I love how you're completely oblivious to how stupid you make yourself look by accusing all PvErs of just being interested in credit-farming. All of your incoherent rambling appears to mostly be a rally against many of the games issues, which is a just cause certainly, but all laced with some odd "It's all the PvErs fault!" scapegoating narrative that undermines it all.

Although I would love to know how you were griefed by people farming skimmers, and I fail to see what's objectionable about people actually engaging in powerplay.

Oh sorry, I missed the part where the "PvE" players reacted like gentlemen to the presence of PvPers.

Sorry, I missed the part where all humans within a certain group are identical.

There are PvErs who are and PvPers who are , nobody has a monopoly on antisocial behaviour.

 

[Apos]

I have for this entire thread, right up until you started copy pasting the same crap that has been said 5 times in this thread. Which has been debunked. Not my fault you can't think of any actual reason to create a requested game mode.

We both know it's because you won't have anyone to pick on and make yourself feel better.

Just say it.

I don't even take part in PvP and never claimed to do so.

Also, "debunked"? Really? Boy that word must make you feel special.

 

[Rustled Jimmy]

I don't even take part in PvP and never claimed to do so.

Also, "debunked"? Really? Boy that word must make you feel special.

No. It's the proper word. Knowing I'm smarter than a troll who doesn't know that? That kinda does.

 

[Apos]

I love how you're completely oblivious to how stupid you make yourself look by accusing all PvErs of just being interested in credit-farming. All of your incoherent rambling appears to mostly be a rally against many of the games issues, which is a just cause certainly, but all laced with some odd "It's all the PvErs fault!" scapegoating narrative that undermines it all.

Although I would love to know how you were griefed by people farming skimmers, and I fail to see what's objectionable about people actually engaging in powerplay.

Farming skimmers actually causes influence swings and causes systems to be completely uncontrollable in terms of the BGS. Losing control of systems just because someone made a video "Go here to make money" is not PvE.

And there's nothing wrong with people engaging in powerplay either now that FD fixed their mistakes and it no longer affects the BGS. But back when it did, control systems were also uncontrollable due to people undermining for that 50M paycheck. They didn't undermine with any strategy in mind or targeted systems based on relevance, they just did it.

And that's why I know why I accuse this specific "PvE" crowd like this. Because it's not the community that does bother with PvE content. It's not that community because that community does not run into griefers. It's the credit farmers who run into griefers because they flock to wherever it is advertised as a cash cow and the griefers know where to find them.

The galaxy is huge, the inhabited bubble alone is huge, if you play the game, you don't run into murderers left and right. If you chase the credit farming hot spots you do.

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No. It's the proper word. Knowing I'm smarter than a troll who doesn't know that? That kinda does.

Speaking of self entitlement there...just keep it in your pants buddy.

 

[Littlerift]

Farming skimmers actually causes influence swings and causes systems to be completely uncontrollable in terms of the BGS. Losing control of systems just because someone made a video "Go here to make money" is not PvE.

And the issue with this is?

And there's nothing wrong with people engaging in powerplay either now that FD fixed their mistakes and it no longer affects the BGS. But back when it did, control systems were also uncontrollable due to people undermining for that 50M paycheck. They didn't undermine with any strategy in mind or targeted systems based on relevance, they just did it.

People will go where the money is, just like in real life. Again, I don't see the issue.

And that's why I know why I accuse this specific "PvE" crowd like this. Because it's not the community that does bother with PvE content. It's not that community because that community does not run into griefers. It's the credit farmers who run into griefers because the flock to wherever it is advertised as a cash cow and the griefers know where to find them.

And why do you consider "PvE player" and "credit farmer" to be synonymous?

The galaxy is huge, if you play the game, you don't run into murderers left and right. If you chase the credit farming hot spots you do.

I'm guessing you haven't bothered reading almost any of this thread if you think the reason people want Open PvE is because they're sick of being ganked/griefed. People aren't that concerned about how likely one actually is to be attacked by some with a bruised ego, people don't want to face that risk at all. It doesn't matter how infinitesimally small the risk is, many people play ED in order to relax at the end of the day, or just to enjoy the process of exploration/trading, and they don't want to have to deal with PvP at all.

To flip it around: if the number of PvPers is so small as to be irrelevant then why not just remove PvP entirely? I swear people are arguing that on the one hand we don't need Open PvE because there's no risk of getting attacked in Open anyway, but on the other they're arguing that Open PvE would cause such a migration of players that the game would collapse...

 

[Rustled Jimmy]

Farming skimmers actually causes influence swings and causes systems to be completely uncontrollable in terms of the BGS. Losing control of systems just because someone made a video "Go here to make money" is not PvE.

And there's nothing wrong with people engaging in powerplay either now that FD fixed their mistakes and it no longer affects the BGS. But back when it did, control systems were also uncontrollable due to people undermining for that 50M paycheck. They didn't undermine with any strategy in mind or targeted systems based on relevance, they just did it.

And that's why I know why I accuse this specific "PvE" crowd like this. Because it's not the community that does bother with PvE content. It's not that community because that community does not run into griefers. It's the credit farmers who run into griefers because the flock to wherever it is advertised as a cash cow and the griefers know where to find them.

The galaxy is huge, if you play the game, you don't run into murderers left and right. If you chase the credit farming hot spots you do.

Are you so wrapped up in yourself that you can't grasp the idea that there are people who think about others? I rarely see other players as I personally chase lore and try to solve the big puzzles being found.

I, unlike yourself, however possess empathy. I know there are pricks in corvettes cruising through beginner systems killing people like it's no big deal. I've seen threads where new players proclaim they'd like to play, but this behavior drives them away. I see that it would be great if these players had somewhere they could play and learn from players like me without worry that pricks will kill them the second they're alone.

What you need to ask yourself is;

" why do I have a problem with that?"

 

[Ian Skippy]

You seem to be a perfect judge of irony.

You dont need to be either perfect or a judge to know what irony means. Anyway, lots and lots of PvE happening in Open right now.

Oh sorry, thats offtopic I guess.

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Are you so wrapped up in yourself that you can't grasp the idea that there are people who think about others? I rarely see other players as I personally chase lore and try to solve the big puzzles being found.

I, unlike yourself, however possess empathy. I know there are pricks in corvettes cruising through beginner systems killing people like it's no big deal. I've seen threads where new players proclaim they'd like to play, but this behavior drives them away. I see that it would be great if these players had somewhere they could play and learn from players like me without worry that pricks will kill them the second they're alone.

What you need to ask yourself is;

" why do I have a problem with that?"

You can take them into a PG. Or you can make two jumps with them and be 100% free of any 'griefers'. Or you could complain on the forums. Whatever works best for you.

 

[Rustled Jimmy]

You dont need to be either perfect or a judge to know what irony means. Anyway, lots and lots of PvE happening in Open right now.

Oh sorry, thats offtopic I guess.

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You can take them into a PG. Or you can make two jumps with them and be 100% free of any 'griefers'. Or you could complain on the forums. Whatever works best for you.

We've already gone over why PGs aren't a fix. Keep up or butt out.

Seems I've hit a nerve. The trolls are coming out.

 

[Littlerift]

You can take them into a PG. Or you can make two jumps with them and be 100% free of any 'griefers'. Or you could complain on the forums. Whatever works best for you.

PvPers could just go into private groups and be 100% free of combat loggers...

 

[CMDR Pugwash]

Some input : I tried to join Mobius for my new Xbox account earlier but it is full.

Just saying.

 

[Apos]

And the issue with this is?

That you have your work nullified with no reason or intent. Something I'd expect the crowd that keeps on shouting about how they don't want their work to be disrupted by griefers who have no purpose to understand. Apparently not. Which is why I say that this community lacks understanding of the consequences of their actions, yet does not care about learning about it either.

People will go where the money is, just like in real life. Again, I don't see the issue.

Neither would I if it didn't actually affect people. Especially when these people proclaim that "they harm noone" and only want to do their thing. Once again, complete lack of responsibility of their actions.

And why do you consider "PvE player" and "credit farmer" to be synonymous?

Because that's what they proclaim themselves and what background I consistently see. PvE implies interacting with the environment. The current environment of the game is directly tied with the BGS. I haven't seen any people that play the BGS complain about murderers/griefers/call them whatever you want.

I'm guessing you haven't bothered reading almost any of this thread if you think the reason people want Open PvE is because they're sick of being ganked/griefed. People aren't that concerned about how likely one actually is to be attacked by some with a bruised ego, people don't want to face that risk at all. It doesn't matter how infinitesimally small the risk is, many people play E in order to relax at the end of the day, or just to enjoy the process of exploration/trading, and they don't want to have to deal with PvP at all.

In that regard it's also FD's fault for not delivering the purely solo experience which would be completely detached from the galaxy.

As far the the risk argument, I don't want to go to the reward counterargument. That has been turned to a pointless circlejerk by now.

All I'm saying is, people's actions have consequences. Either they like it or not. That mission someone just picked might be working against the efforts of someone else. Those bounties someone just handed in, same thing. No matter how peaceful and happy going someone is claiming to be, that's just the way the game is.

And to use your last sentence to counter your first. Yes, I also like to be relaxed and not seeing a faction going to 1% within a day due to scimmer mission farming. I'd be fine if someone attacked it on purpose, but having your work ruined because someone wants to call their credit exploits PvE? I'd rather not.