Post of the year? I don't think I've seen the whole sorry mess summed up any better well done
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Game Bashing On Steam
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You didn't mind him pretending that only 'some players' or 'a number of players' are having performance issues? Or him pretending his 980GTX, 16GB and i7 pc (which is above recommended) was in any way comparable to 'older hardware' playing in 1080p? Or the promise of 'open and regular communication'?
But I don't believe Odyssey to be a bad expansion, released before it was ready, yes, but content-wise Odyssey isn't bad IMO. This is at odds with this 'reality' you're promoting, and by doing so are effectively suggesting that I'm not living in reality. I can accept those for whom Odyssey isn't their thing, though those waters are muddied and only now starting to settle, looking at the recent reviews that have Odyssey at mixed, which I think is more fair. The reality of what you're saying is that it's the opposite of what you say; you can't accept that some think Odyssey is a good expansion.
I'd say the same thing, I guess it's whether you can look past them or not. An earlier poster says that Odyssey isn't for them but they love the spaceship part still, I think Odyssey adds a lot to the spaceship part with the light atmospheric worlds and numerous new settlements to visit and blast with dumbfire rockets when the situation warrants it etc..
That's partly why I say what I say, the success of Odyssey is directly relative to the ability of Frontier to 'get things (I assume that to be Elite) back on track'. I honestly have a hard time thinking that there is zero worth in Odyssey for someone who enjoys Elite Dangerous. I also don't think Frontier lost track with Odyssey content-wise, it fulfills some aspects of the Kickstarter criteria. To which degree, lesser or greater, ymmv. Release-wise, sure, there's no doubt that Frontier had their CIG/Hello Games moment. I would be harsher if it wasn't for covid and now that things are returning to normal I would hope that Frontier can show that this was just a blip - though still not expecting perfection either.Elite Dangerous started well, grew and then... I don't know, had its funding & investment pulled maybe, or was wasted, or went into developing something else
I hope Frontier can get things back on track.
On saying "some" vs. "practically everybody", well, what's he gonna say? He's making a visible statement, he's gonna pick his words. As for the EE/980 thing... yeah that's a bit silly. I'd guess he's bubbled more than trying to mislead in that statement. Perhaps, if they were at the high end back in 2014, and they're at the high-end now, and they don't pay attention to it too much, for various reasons, they just don't realize what has happened between then and now? Perhaps he just expected the average config to be twice as powerful and price/perf to be half or two-thirds the cost of what it is today. 6500XT who wants one? Line up! Good upgrade path from the 735Ti.
I'll tell you what, though, I would expect him to know that EE doesn't follow the same standard. You can't point to EE for any kind of yesterday argument. Is he working off some before-time when the difference between EE was the difference between a K variant and not? I dunno. Maybe he just genuinely doesn't know about the SKUing that happens? They probably know better today. Anyway, yeah the whole EE 980 thing is a little silly.
The truth?
Yes, and the problem is the words he picked. He is 'visibly stating' things that have a, to put it friendly, tenous relation with reality. That is, to put it equally mild, not very nice.
Oh come on.
"Lol, I am just the CEO of a game studio making a post about the performance of my product. You cant expect me to know what I say about the performance of my game. All those different numbers, lol, I was just being a bit of a silly goose. This stuff is so confusing!"
Unfortunately, they may be right.Meh.
"Review bombing" is the latest thing that all the cool kids are doing.
Whether it be Steam, Trustpilot, Rotten Tomatos, IMDB, or whatever, a bunch of outraged pleb's get together on Twitter and resolve to vent their anger by clicking on something over and over again because, apparently, that's how you change the world these days.
OT: A lot of 'review bombing' I see on sites like IMDB are in favour of the film. Plenty of 10/10 from users first review, all accounts set up within a few weeks. Titles reading something like 'Genre defying masterpiece!!'.
Even more OT: I read about a user on reddit who had an account lost to a hacker for a month or two. When they managed to regain control, they went through their history and it had been upvoting a load of Sony related content and the like. Explains why someone's crayon drawing of Spiderman can end up on the front page with 10s of thousands of votes around the release of a big title.
Even more OT: I read about a user on reddit who had an account lost to a hacker for a month or two. When they managed to regain control, they went through their history and it had been upvoting a load of Sony related content and the like. Explains why someone's crayon drawing of Spiderman can end up on the front page with 10s of thousands of votes around the release of a big title.
It swings both ways. People who 'kinda liked' something or were 'meh' about it dont post reviews. Its why things like metacritic dont work well. A score of 70% usually means 70% of people gave a 10, and 30% gave a 0. There is little middle ground in user reviews.
Curious to know what measure Steam have in place?
Buying likes, clicks, reviews is readily available and has been for a while now. I'm sure it goes the other way just as easily too. That's why I find it hard to believe when someone is absolutely adamant that it is just impossible for it to happen here, even when I concede multiple times that a measure of the reviews that don't recommend Odyssey on steam are legit. Doth protest too much maybe, even.
About Yamiks though, I'd need to see some evidence regarding a discord effort to review bomb Odyssey before I would accept that, even if it wouldn't surprise me.
If they detect a spike in bad review, they automatically put the review system for the game on hold. You can keep doing review, but they don't do anything for the rating. Often they go back through the pile and remove all the non related ones (IE the one that are there only for review bombing).
Otherwise, unless they fix it, the reviews at the time of the bombing are not counted for the overall rating of the game.
Steam will also leave a message "review bombing detected" or whatever on the page when it happens.
And to add to that:
Valve intervened in 44 ‘review bomb’ incidents on Steam last year
The hands-on approach segregates malicious reviews, helping to normalize ratings on Steam
www.polygon.com
Of course, the fact that Steam has these measures in place means that review bombing is a thing. They don't have many policies for defending against unicorn attacks.
I think there is a little difference when it comes to Odyssey reviews though, in that people are already heavily invested in the franchise and so want to leave their opinion. (I guess the same will be true of something like an Avengers film with avid lovers, haters and those that wanted or expected a bit more.)It swings both ways. People who 'kinda liked' something or were 'meh' about it dont post reviews. Its why things like metacritic dont work well. A score of 70% usually means 70% of people gave a 10, and 30% gave a 0. There is little middle ground in user reviews.
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OK point made. I wasn't there for the launch. I'd probably feel differently if I was.
Being CEO has a different set of requirements than heading up software engineering. I'd say there's suits whose skills are seeing on what side the bread is buttered and getting the wax in the hair juuuust right. I don't think it was simply a cynical attempt at spin. I think it was him sharing his own personal experience. There was probably more he knew that was left unsaid. That's a bit different than basically coming forward with two-faced intentions. He needed to say something, he didn't want to say something that would make things worse.
The game hasta be owned, for starters...
Trivial to purchase it and then refund.
That's still only one review.
Now, you can argue you can make a new steam account and repeat the process everytime, but it's obvious it's going to be very time consuming and tedious to do.
Also, using the same payment process will certainly trigger some safety for steam.
Okay. So, that's one per account. Anybody who hates this game enough to do that multiple times should be pitied, not feared.
Seriously, I have the expansion on two accounts--I picked up the second on sale and expressly for FC interiors. I still think the overall content is utter crap, but I can't be bothered to thumb it down twice.
ED: O has a mostly negative rating because that's what it earned. Nobody needs to review bomb it.
It's so funny the length some people go to find a reason why a game is poorly rated. Full on conspiracy with multiple account, refunding, review bombing....
When the most easy and obvious answer is "most people didn't like it".