Game Bashing On Steam

I'm somewhat surprised to see you take this position. As I said before, someone who's going to that trouble is likely someone who will also take the time to leave the negative review. And need I say that I consider a proportion of negative reviews legitimate? I'm not discussing boiling water vs ice here, but more about enough to bring a slowly simmering pot to a full boil.
Considering a fraction of reviews is also made by positive trolling, it should even out.
I took that one right now, from main Elite review page. Didn't even dig it up, it's front page :
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I wonder if "RIP console players" and "Explore your galaxy" are strong argument for a thumbs up.
 
No, I took your specific example and explained it doesn't support your opinion, at all. Anyway, it seems to be article of faith for you that there is some anti-EDO conspiracy. I am not interested in more shifting goalposts, so I am out.
Fair enough, I acknowledged that my choice was open to ambiguity and tried to clear it up, it's up to you decide whether that's shifting goalposts but I think you'll see my discussion on the topic has been quite consistent.

edit; before people interpret incorrectly my 'fair enough' comment, it's not the 'article of faith' part I was referring to, just an acknowledgement that Ian was out for his own reasons.
 
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Considering a fraction of reviews is also made by positive trolling, it should even out.
I took that one right now, from main Elite review page. Didn't even dig it up, it's front page :
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I wonder if "RIP console players" and "Explore your galaxy" are strong argument for a thumbs up.
Why are you asking me to quantify the intention of what someone posted? The RIP comment could be sarcasm or genuine, or are you saying that if one were to really feel bad for console players, they should leave a negative review instead? Though I would side with the sarcasm myself, but then I also believe that the written word lends itself more towards being taken as sarcasm than genuine by default, which is one of the reasons why I think social media is where it is today.

At least the explore your galaxy is relevant to the game, where's the deception of the (paraphrase alert) 'unless you have 3090ti, don't botther' type of thing? I don't see it.

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Considering a fraction of reviews is also made by positive trolling, it should even out.
I took that one right now, from main Elite review page. Didn't even dig it up, it's front page :
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I wonder if "RIP console players" and "Explore your galaxy" are strong argument for a thumbs up.
IMHO most reviews on Steam are crap, regardless of the sincerity. Yes, Bobby, dinosaurs are cool but that doesn't make JWE a great game. Nor is it terrible because John's favourite dino is not included.
 
Why are you asking me to quantify the intention of what someone posted? The RIP comment could be sarcasm or genuine, or are you saying that if one were to really feel bad for console players, they should leave a negative review instead? Though I would side with the sarcasm myself, but then I also believe that the written word lends itself more towards being taken as sarcasm than genuine by default, which is one of the reasons why I think social media is where it is today.

At least the explore your galaxy is relevant to the game, where's the deception of the (paraphrase alert) 'unless you have 3090ti, don't botther' type of thing? I don't see it.

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Front page again.
I wonder what "Noice too" meant ? Anyway.
We can do this all day.

All the "troll" reviews balances themselves out, roughly. You have that kind for review for both side.

Even if it's not perfect, right now we have roughly 2120 (y) and 4240(n) for EDO. Even if a few dozens of them are trollish or whatever, we are still far from the total.
 
Likely explanation vs unlikely explanation has zero to do with the actual reality of the explanation. The likeliest explanation from casual observation is that the sun and moon moves around the earth.
It seems highly unlikely that the Earth is flat and the Sun and Moon are just projections on a massive dome above us, ergo that must be the real explanation and Elite Odyssey's poor reviews are not related to it being shockingly bad at launch
 
It seems highly unlikely that the Earth is flat and the Sun and Moon are just projections on a massive dome above us, ergo that must be the real explanation and Elite Odyssey's poor reviews are not related to it being shockingly bad at launch
You don't know likely it was I thought that someone of that nature was coming. :)
 
If you left a negative review on Steam you did though. It's all semantics and as I've said before, I think there's reasons to suspect activity of that nature on Steam, is it a full on organized review-bomb? To a degree, if you consider this organized enough:

A Small Act of Protest We Can Do - Tag the DLC as Early Access

Sure, it was pointed to get it tagged as early access, but effectively it's just another form of negatively impacting the game. There's posts that I've highlighted in the console thread that I would say reach the standard of organized. How effective they were, I can't say, as has been pointed out and I agree, Odyssey's poor launch did a great job in aiding/covering any attempts to do so. We will never likely know.
Okay... I gave the game one single bad review for the Alpha Access copy I bought, because I was and still am angry about it's state at release. I don't see any problem with that. I could have given it a second bad review for the copy I bought on sale. I didn't because I knew exactly what I was getting and I did buy it specifically for FC interiors.
I absolutely don't want to see this game burn.

And let's be clear, the only people who are responsible for negatively impacting this game is whoever decided to release it in such a shoddy state.

I did totally register that bad review in hopes that it would discourage FDev from doing something like that ever again and to help others not waste their money. That's how capitalism works and that's why we have review systems. I'm also not going to buy anymore cosmetics until I get $90 value from my copies of EDO. I think that is completely reasonable and fair.

That reddit link is interesting. I did see that it was tagged as early access when I bought my second copy. At first I thought, "Hey, FDev did the right thing!"

But then, of course they didn't. If they had labeled this as early access, I probably would have bought it. I WOULD NOT have liked it but I also wouldn't be angry about it, like I am now.

FDev abused my trust, and apparently 4062 others, when they sold me a $60 alpha access package to a game that still isn't finished a year after official release. If they experience a bit of economic pain for that, good. I hope they learn their lesson, because I don't want to see this game fail, but if they continue such business practices it will.

So, no I don't want to see EDO burn, but I do want FDev held to account so that this never happens again.

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I'd be interested to see how you break that down, though I understand if you would can't be arsed to.
Personally, I'd give Odyssey (as it is now) a 6/10. Here's where there's room for improvement:

  • The biggest one is that a machine that can run Horizons at VR high can't do the same in Odyssey, or even VR medium. It can barely do VR low, and I have to switch to 2D in settlements due to stutter. This is a machine that is well above the minimum specs, despite its age. Granted, I now have a more powerful computer, but this shows how unoptimized Odyssey remains.
  • Much of Horizons' surface content still hasn't been reworked to take advantage of Odyssey gameplay.
  • There's an artificial barrier between being able to take missions for your ship, and missions on foot. You should be able to take peruse all kinds of missions any terminal, whether that terminal is on your ship or on foot.
  • There's no Odyssey-oriented exploration (or combat for that matter) content for Thargoids and Guardians, and the new on-foot exploration game loop really needs a rework.
  • Odyssey equipment modification system is just terrible. Once you have a module, you should be able to swap it between devices like you can with ships, and most materials lack a legal pathway to acquire.
And that's just the major things that are needed to give it a more decent 8/10 rating.
 
If you left a negative review on Steam you did though. It's all semantics and as I've said before, I think there's reasons to suspect activity of that nature on Steam, is it a full on organized review-bomb? To a degree, if you consider this organized enough:

A Small Act of Protest We Can Do - Tag the DLC as Early Access

Sure, it was pointed to get it tagged as early access, but effectively it's just another form of negatively impacting the game. There's posts that I've highlighted in the console thread that I would say reach the standard of organized. How effective they were, I can't say, as has been pointed out and I agree, Odyssey's poor launch did a great job in aiding/covering any attempts to do so. We will never likely know.
So, I just left a totally sincere positive review for EDO in the following:
"Thumbs up, BUT ONLY FOR FLEET CARRIER INTERIORS... The rest of the content is still pretty bad. I'd give FDev another year to patch bugs and nerf the grind.

o7"

I though you should know.
 
Okay... I gave the game one single bad review for the Alpha Access copy I bought, because I was and still am angry about it's state at release. I don't see any problem with that. I could have given it a second bad review for the copy I bought on sale. I didn't because I knew exactly what I was getting and I did buy it specifically for FC interiors.
Understood. There were legit reasons to not recommend the game, I did leave a recommended review, but I had caveats in regards to it. For anyone new to Elite, I still probably would advise to wait to get it, but if they want to go along for the ride, and have semi-decent hardware (I have a 2060 laptop that I put in that category, could it be called mid-spec?) I would say give it a shot and see for oneself. Odyssey is in a pretty decent place and should only get better.

I absolutely don't want to see this game burn.
My feeling is that there are very few who actually do. For all the crap I've given Star Citizen, I don't wish to see that burn either, I only will defend Elite here, I don't go on the offense and troll them or NMS etc.. I think that would be unnecessary and show a lack of confidence in Elite, and conversely I feel the same way about those who would do that here.

And let's be clear, the only people who are responsible for negatively impacting this game is whoever decided to release it in such a shoddy state.
I get that, and ultimately I agree, as it's an inescapable truth. However, my perspective on it takes the extenuating circumstances of covid into account, and it's for that reason almost exclusively that I'm willing to look past it, though wanting to see the full Elite come to fruition is also part of it, I will admit, and that's not happening if the game burns, but still, if it weren't for covid you wouldn't see me doing this, and I think it's reasonable to suggest that Odyssey wouldn't have launched like it did either.

I did totally register that bad review in hopes that it would discourage FDev from doing something like that ever again and to help others not waste their money. That's how capitalism works and that's why we have review systems. I'm also not going to buy anymore cosmetics until I get $90 value from my copies of EDO. I think that is completely reasonable and fair.
I agree that's reasonable, though the sending the message part is a minefield IMO. It's like chiding your kid, you want to let them know they did wrong but you don't want to destroy their dreams either, they're your dreams too. So yeah, my recommendation is/was conditional so I was not attempting to mislead anyone either. As for Capitalism, that's a big subject to bring in and risk is a key element of it, for both sides. When investing stocks in a company, there's no guarantee that they won't lose half their value the next week but there's the long term viewpoint and many have been rewarded for remaining calm and seeing it through, and of course many have also lost everything. Bringing it back to Elite, I backed this as a kickstarter and it hasn't been plain sailing, it never is, but I do believe that Frontier is pushing forwards as best they can, given the niche genre that it sits in.

That reddit link is interesting. I did see that it was tagged as early access when I bought my second copy. At first I thought, "Hey, FDev did the right thing!"

But then, of course they didn't. If they had labeled this as early access, I probably would have bought it. I WOULD NOT have liked it but I also wouldn't be angry about it, like I am now.
It's difficult to say, like I say, I'm pretty sure that if covid never happened we wouldn't be having these conversations, Odyssey may have released on time and on console too. The whole release was weird to me, I'm not going to try and second guess what their decisions were, I can only imagine that there was a lot at stake and it was a forced hand, whether it turns out to be for the good of the game is still up in the air IMO. I've said before (armchair expert time) that Frontier should be more forthcoming about the greater development picture of Elite, it's something marketable IMO, the saga continues sort of thing, and would provide much needed context for those who are newer to the franchise.

FDev abused my trust, and apparently 4062 others, when they sold me a $60 alpha access package to a game that still isn't finished a year after official release. If they experience a bit of economic pain for that, good. I hope they learn their lesson, because I don't want to see this game fail, but if they continue such business practices it will.
Well, I think it's fair to say that the point has been well and truly made, whichever way it was manifested.

So, no I don't want to see EDO burn, but I do want FDev held to account so that this never happens again.
I think they got the message. Maybe it's time to cut them a little slack (not intended to be taken as a free pass) and see what good can come out of all of this? But you can be sure to know that I also do not want to see the Odyssey launch repeated either, and not because Elite ceased development. o7
 
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Front page again.
I wonder what "Noice too" meant ? Anyway.
We can do this all day.

All the "troll" reviews balances themselves out, roughly. You have that kind for review for both side.

Even if it's not perfect, right now we have roughly 2120 (y) and 4240(n) for EDO. Even if a few dozens of them are trollish or whatever, we are still far from the total.
Still would like to know your thoughts on the review I posted, seeing as I did that for you.
 
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that because EDO is an expansion, when you buy it your playtime is linked to the 'master' game. Hence when I bought it (just before release) I was already at 2,500 hours past the refund window. A bit hard to buy it, review bomb it and then refund it.

I've reviewed ED positively many years ago, and I have updated my (negative) EDO review several times. It's still negative, BTW.
 
I have over 5000 hrs in the game, I like it.
Would I recommend the game? Absolutely.
Do I get frustrated at times? Sure do!
Will I keep playing? Yep!
Then by all means make a positive review!
Really don't understand all the negative reviews, unless they are among the group of people who insist on instant gratification.
How about you read the review. Maybe that could help you understand why the negative review is there. Or, you could just observe that there are negative reviews without actually reading/understanding why that review is there, and draw your own conclusions from that.
Anytime you have upgrades to any kind of program, you are going to have bugs. That's just the nature of the beast. No programming is perfect. Every game is buggy when there is an update,
This is just plain wrong. There are dozens of games that do not become buggy (or more buggy than they already were). To give you one example; ever since I played Factorio (which was WAYYY back when it was in the early phases of its early access bear in mind) I have never encountered a game crash that wasn’t caused by myself (by adding buggy mods for example).
it just seems like the Elite Dangerous community has more than their fair share of people that insist on perfection every time, that is not possible.
It seems the Elite Dangerous community is increasingly fed up with numerous things. Read this topic for a lot of perfect examples
There are some tedious and tiring aspects of the game but overall, it's an enjoyable game with many different challenges within the game.
You’re definitely entitled to that opinion…
It seems that there are some who believe that they should reach the top tier within a very short time.
… just as those ‘some’ are entitled to theirs.
Yes.
Some, but not all, of the negative reviews seem to come from people who are used to getting their way and when they don't, they resort to belligerent and nasty posting.
I’m keen to know what (scientific) methods you’ve used to come to this conclusion.
Try the game, if you don't like it, get a refund and quit playing.
Seems fair, but if I buy a product and I’m genuinely not happy with it, and there is a place and a way for me to express my experience with said product to other interested people, why would you blame me for doing so?
There are several games that I've played, didn't like, and quit playing. Didn't bash the programmers or the company that owns the games. I simply quit playing.
You do you.
If you play the game through steam and like the game, go to steam and post your review.
Oh, but only if you like it should you write a review? What a wonderful unicorn rainbow world you’re living in!
I also noticed that there are quite a few in these forums that like bashing the game, the programmers and Frontier,
Personal bashing on specific developers is appalling, I’ve not yet seen it myself (or at least not before it gets taken down by mods) but if it’s there it should be taken care of, no questions asked.
‘Bashing’ the game or the company on the other hand is totally different and (as long as there’s a certain level of decency) to me perfectly fine.
seems like they spend more time in the forum bashing than they do playing.
So?
I'm not talking about the people that post legitimate questions or gripes. We all have some gripes, that's different from bashing.
Well isnt it convenient to be your own jury of what you do/don’t see as ‘legitimate questions or gripes’ eh.
 
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