Problem is not lack of tools but lack of Universes response to lawlessness. It really stretches imagination that neither Federation, Empire, or Allience will not do anything substancial to hunt down known criminals, especially from places having higher than low security rating. Active criminals should be hounded in superpower level, and even in independent non low-sec systems their life should be very very very hard.
Gankers' rights movement?
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daaaaaaaaaamn, is it too late to name my carrier?
Currently all systems are anarchies. Regardless of affiliation and sec level.
Is that you? Nice regardless.
I was gonna kick it into my history until I heard Van Halen.
They don't care about criminals, so long they don't threaten their power and wealth. It's always been like that. Why should one faction care what you do to another? Even factions under the same superpower are fighting and killing each other. It's a dystopian universe and not a happy one, most pilots don't live to retirement or even finish their first year in space. Even the corrupt cabal of the Pilot's Federation doesn't care what it's members do to others and each other, so long they stay in power.
Should the rep increase and decrease be adjusted to reflect player choices? Yes. Slower rep gains pos and neg. In that way if you went on a killer spree you need some time and work to be able to land in the systems controlled by the faction you got hostile with. Also if you run missions in a system for one faction you loose rep for the others. You shouldn't be friendly or even allied with all the factions in a system, maybe 1 or 2 max.
I am on PC. Isn't that the only way? I might hit you up sometime, my friend.
Oh gods no lol. I can't fly like that.
That wasn't you with the Van Halen thing?
Bah, in any real state even with infighting factions hostile actions need to be covert. Overt actions of violence would bring down wrath of controlling cabal especially if it is against them. First responsiblity of any state is (near) monopoly of violence. If there is not such there is no state. So say for example in Federation some stuff would be ok in superpower level, some stuff would bring hammer down pretty fast. Likewise in system level doing something against governing faction should be depending in security level very very grave mistake.
No I'll make you do calculus.
You'd have to get some kind of voice chat so I can talk you through what to do as I'm "ganking" you. You could just use the in game voice chat as long as you have a headset.
This is my official quote of the day
You lost me there. "Dishonorable conduct" aside, it is dishonourable to think an in game asset is "yours". One change of instance and it's for everybody
You lost me there. "Dishonorable conduct" aside, it is dishonourable to think an in game asset is "yours". One change of instance and it's for everybody
You lost me there. "Dishonorable conduct" aside, it is dishonourable to think an in game asset is "yours". One change of instance and it's for everybody
If you can defend it, it's yours.
See: Carcosa.
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There may be some truth in the fact that I might enjoy it but it would mainly come, I suspect, from the sense of achievement as my combat skills are dreadful. That I had the skill to kill someone else would be thrilling but I also suspect that 2 or 3 goes at that would end that run of joy unless I then became better and better at combat and took on more and more challenging players, however, personally, I don't play ED for combat. I have played PvP games and enjoyed them but in those games the most a player loses is a bit of face, the risks for some players in ED is hours possibly weeks or months of 'work' gone in a moment.
I know, I know, if you're coming back from the black with 6 months worth of UC DATA in an unshielded, unarmed ship, go solo or learn the hard way. Some little harmless trader though, worked their way up to, IDK, a python, hasn't even got it A-rated yet, gets blown up, did not present a challenge to the killer, that just seems a bit crap.
I'm fully aware of the git gud stuff or 'it's the world we live in' in ED world but because something is legal it doesn't make it morally right.
!. I have had loads of bounties, never killed anything but skimmers and NPC's, so presumably, I could blow up an NPC cruise liner (cry at weddings and now your death), run into Webgear, who would see my bounty and the game commences? I'm guessing this is right, I don't actually know. In that scenario, I didn't blast some non-challenging, barely capable CMDR out of the cosmos just to get someone else to chase me.
2. Your 'friend' Webgear and you could just have an agreement, if ever you meet, you fight. Cut out the middleman. What ids the flaw in that? Why does some hapless bystander have to be the instigator in a game between you and someone else?
To hone my point a bit more, I'm specifically interested in people who are deep in role play. They discuss their actions as 'My CMDR will always do this' sort of thing. Have a whole back story for them, orphan of the stars, takes no crap, etc etc. They've gone all that way with their imagination yet it appears to hinge on their CMDR killing someone oblivious to this whole scenario. Just one more step of imagination and no 'innocent' or helpless player need close a thing.
Also, if you (not you 2 specifically but the general you) just simply enjoy killing other players, you enjoy destroying what ever it is they have built up, up to that point, then just say it. There is no need to disguise it in talk of role play etc. Just say, I like smashing other people's stuff up.
Finally, I really hope this isn't coming across as personal, judgemental or me telling you how awful you are, I'm generally interested in this nuances in this game.
Yes. Hello. It's a game. What happens in Elite: Dangerous doesn't even remotely rise to a discussion worth using the phrase "morally right." Do you wag your finger at the Slayer for shooting a hole in Mars with the BFG 10000? I sure hope not.
Besides, in the age of easy credits those fools grinding 250 million credits and hour buying a ship they couldn't be arsed to learn deserve to get shot down.
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Why not just take the imagination further and just pretend the whole thing? Don't even need to play the game. Why should people who play the game by the rules set by FDev restrict themselves and play by arbitrary rules from other CMDRs?
In Elite's lore every day innocent or helpless CMDRs get killed. Why should the game be different? This is the thing I don't understand, Elite's universe is not a nice place to live and danger lurks everywhere. Open to me represents that state the closest from all the modes.
Killing other players and destroying what ever they build up are 2 different things. In this game you can destroy somebodies work without ever directly interacting with them.
If I go ganking a system the goal is to kill other players, don't care who they are, what they were doing, or what they would loose. The goal is to make them explode, nothing more. If you click on open you willingly accept the risk of getting killed by any CMDR for any reason, if you don't want to take that risk there are 2 other modes.
I got gank a lot then I started playing in open as I smartly started at a CG. But seeing and experiencing the dynamics between blockaders and defenders showed me how much fun open is. Even my first contact with my squadron was getting ganked and killed.
People who do attacking get very defensive.
I understand you have the best intentions here but this would be so lame. Webgear is not my friend in any way and his whole schtick is hunting player killers. By making an "agreement" it completely takes away from the organic nature of how these fights occur. I'm not specifically killing players so Webgear will come after me, it's just something that organically happens.