Modes Get off Solo/Private groups and onto Open play!

verminstar

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verminstar
ALGOMATIC said:
Please explain how do you participate in PP via BGS manipulation, since they have no ties to each other whatsoever.
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If ye need to ask that question, one would have to assume ye dont know very much about how the bgs actually works. Manipulating the bgs is literally all ye do with powerplay...ye do know what bgs stands fer yes? Powerplay is merely another layer of the bgs that is designed to work alongside it which means they are as tied together as it gets.

I dont even like powerplay and even I knew that ^
 

Jockey79

Jockey79
Darkfyre99 said:
Simple.

Government type affects undermining and fortification costs. So, depending upon on whether I'm operating in the noble Empire, or in the Evil Galactic Federation, I support either Patronage minor factions that don't have control their system, or I support brave freedom fighters resisting Federal rule. I've helped flip quite a few systems, based on what will help my chosen Power, or hurt the tyrant Hudson.
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Are you playing content that doesn't exist in a mode that's not approved of using PvE that is frown upon.

Shame on you, don't you know you're supposed to just sit there and be bored until a PvP'er shoots you :p
 

ALGOMATIC

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verminstar said:
If ye need to ask that question, one would have to assume ye dont know very much about how the bgs actually works. Manipulating the bgs is literally all ye do with powerplay...ye do know what bgs stands fer yes? Powerplay is merely another layer of the bgs that is designed to work alongside it which means they are as tied together as it gets.

I dont even like powerplay and even I knew that ^
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I am listening to your explanation, how are they tied together since they are completely different systems and doing BGS missions have no impact on PP, while doing PP activity has no impact on the BGS.
 

ALGOMATIC

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Stigbob said:
If you get yourself PP points by splatting opposing NPC's, it's pure BGS manipulation as it's the BGS that is directly effected by their splatting and also spawns the NPC's and the conditions under which you can splat them.
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Those NPCS have nothing to do with BGS, they are power specific NPCs, they dont belong to a faction.
 

ALGOMATIC

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Darkfyre99 said:
Simple.

Government type affects undermining and fortification costs. So, depending upon on whether I'm operating in the noble Empire, or in the Evil Galactic Federation, I support either Patronage minor factions that don't have control their system, or I support brave freedom fighters resisting Federal rule. I've helped flip quite a few systems, based on what will help my chosen Power, or hurt the tyrant Hudson.
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Correct, but those are different types of activities, flipping a controlling faction is different than undermining or fortifying. But, tbh I can see the minor correlation.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
ALGOMATIC said:
Those NPCS have nothing to do with BGS, they are power specific NPCs, they dont belong to a faction.
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Except they are generated by the BGS and they are identified as belonging to a PP faction, and their destruction effects the BGS and gives you PP points. Powerplay is one part of the BGS as are the NPC's.
 

Jockey79

Jockey79
Stigbob said:
Except they are generated by the BGS and they are identified as belonging to a PP faction, and their destruction effects the BGS and gives you PP points. Powerplay is one part of the BGS as are the NPC's.
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Didn't they disconnect the PP NPCs from the main BGS - so players wouldn't end up wanted when killing PP NPCs for merits?
 

ALGOMATIC

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Stigbob said:
Except they are generated by the BGS and they are identified as belonging to a PP faction, and their destruction effects the BGS and gives you PP points. Powerplay is one part of the BGS as are the NPC's.
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BGS is a minor faction notion, PP is a super power personnel, they are not related directly, Hudson (Fed) can control a system where all the minor factions are imperial.
The NPCs are different, you have the alliance beurocrats, Kumo crew etc, for BGS you have the System Authroty (controlling faction) and the other plebs who belong to other minor factions.
 

Kyokushin

Kyokushin
Only in Open since 2014.

yes, there should be not a group/solo modes, or at least they should be completely separated from Open Galaxy. Different bgs, different cmdr slot, no switching.
 

Han Zulu

Han Zulu
ALGOMATIC said:
Its an explanation about the BGS mechanics, I was part of a player group, I went through all that first handed.
This is not PP. Dont mix the 2 together.
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From the document: "The Background Simulation of the game is one of the most under-appreciated and most misunderstood aspects of Elite: Dangerous. It’s also one of the poorest explained, which is a shame, because knowing how to manipulate it to your advantage is an immense advantage in PowerPlay."

So it's not me being wrong, but the document or ... you.
 
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ALGOMATIC

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Han Zulu said:
From the document: "The Background Simulation of the game is one of the most under-appreciated and mostmisunderstood aspects of Elite: Dangerous. It’s also one of the poorest explained, which isa shame, because knowing how to manipulate it to your advantage is an immense advantagein PowerPlay."

So it's not me being wrong, but the document or ... you.
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Oh common, Power play doesnt manipulate the BGS, this document explains about the BGS system and it helps in a decision of which system to expand into in PP, OK I will give you that.
Its like saying "this system is in boom and has a high population so its good candidate for expansion", its not directly manipulated by fortifying/undermining, they separated it so people could do PP and not get a bad rep with their BGS faction.
 

Han Zulu

Han Zulu
ALGOMATIC said:
Oh common, Power play doesnt manipulate the BGS,
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I didn't say that and neither did the document.

this document explains about the BGS system and it helps in a decision of which system to expand into in PP, OK I will give you that.
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Correct.

Its like saying "this system is in boom and has a high population so its good candidate for expansion", its not directly manipulated by fortifying/undermining, they separated it so people could do PP and not get a bad rep with their BGS faction.
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So there's a connection between the systems... because they're in the same universe.

And if players can make decisions from BGS to improve their PP play, then there's an interplay regardless if you want it or not. You might choose to overlook it, but it's not the same as saying there is none.
 
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Stigbob

Stigbob
Kyokushin said:
Only in Open since 2014.

yes, there should be not a group/solo modes, or at least they should be completely separated from Open Galaxy. Different bgs, different cmdr slot, no switching.
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No thanks I like choice, also the shared BGS is good from a dev perspective as it's less time and effort to maintain.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Jockey79 said:
Didn't they disconnect the PP NPCs from the main BGS - so players wouldn't end up wanted when killing PP NPCs for merits?
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I don't know but I hope so, it was still a thing a couple of months ago. I quite fancy some really easy prismatic shields.
 

ALGOMATIC

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Han Zulu said:
I didn't say that and neither did the document.


Correct.


So there's a connection between the systems... because they're in the same universe.

And if players can make decisions from BGS to improve their PP play, then there's an interplay regardless if you want it or not. You might choose to overlook it, but it's not the same as saying there is none.
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Ok I agree they are loosely connected in a strategic way.
 

Fyrd Judge

Fyrd Judge
Ahhhh the Solo & Open debates, never a dull moment when they arrive, reminds me of these two.......

[video=youtube_share;cIPfEBuA7HY]https://youtu.be/cIPfEBuA7HY[/video]
 
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