Give us freedom, the same as EvE. Consigne the universe to the players, FD

[Kayweg]

How are shareholders going to change the direction of the game when DBOBE himself owns 56% of the shares in FDEV?

DBOBE faction influence: 56%

Other factions influence: 44%

We might need a civil war here, what you reckon ?

 

[Ideas Man]

How is it that you have come to that mighty conclusion?

EVE in its hayday had...what? 10000 users? So lose 10000 players to EVE...some may stay because they believe in ED's vision...the rest - well reducing the PVP related complaints from this forum is no bad thing.

Seriously do you guys not read stuff or just even do a quick Google?

In February 2013, EVE Online reached over 500,000 subscribers.

 

[rapace]

How are shareholders going to change the direction of the game when DBOBE himself owns 56% of the shares in FDEV?

You can always pressure the majority stakeholder, ya know

 

[Ideas Man]

DBOBE faction influence: 56%

Other factions influence: 44%

We might need a civil war here, what you reckon ?

It doesn't matter, if a director can be shown to be actively harming a company they can legally be removed.

Not saying this is the case here but it's good to know when internet arguing

 

[rapace]

How is it that you have come to that mighty conclusion?

EVE in its hayday had...what? 10000 users? So lose 10000 players to EVE...some may stay because they believe in ED's vision...the rest - well reducing the PVP related complaints from this forum is no bad thing.

i just logged in eve to create a sexy woman engineer and my log in screen said there were 47000 pilots all connected.

there are over 500k subscribers...

 

[Robert Maynard]

It doesn't matter, if a director can be shown to be actively harming a company they can legally be removed.

Not saying this is the case here but it's good to know when internet arguing

Directors may be able to be removed but the shareholding remains with the individual.

 

[rapace]

Same here, pretty much.

DISCLAIMER ***I am not insulting anyone here***

Things have moved on in gaming to such a degree that certain things are just taken for granted, and these things are standardised and just work.

Swimming against the tide is all well and good but the fact of the matter is that the torrent coming towards us in this flimsy metaphor is full of well used ideas that the gaming world has invented, tweaked and perfected over the last decade or so and to let them float by us and crash over the Waterfall Of Broken Dreams is silly, don't be scared of them, embrace them. The rest of the world has done for years and years and years

well said

 

[anikaiful]

ilog in screen said there were 47000 pilots all connected.

You mean, 4,700 players and about 42K bots?

 

[Robert Maynard]

You can always pressure the majority stakeholder, ya know

How would one hope to accomplish that? Players have bought and paid for the game - financial threats are reduced to refusing to buy cosmetics or expansions (i.e. not stopping paying subscriptions as the game has none).

 

[Ideas Man]

Directors may be able to be removed but the shareholding remains with the individual.

It can get a bit messier than that if stuff goes to court but I take your point

 

[sutex]

thank you comrade

yes i love ed, yes is freaking awesome, fliying your ship is.

all the rest you feel nobody, you are nobody, and the npcs are just ghosts, and the missions aleays the same pver and pver, and nothing ever changes


so here the solution. Give the changes to the player.

someone wants to claim zaonce? Let them do that


someone wants to destroy george lucas station? Let them do that, and whoever wants will be defending


want to block the esport of onionhead for real? Let the player do that

In ED at the moment there are NO Consequence , you get your ship back with the same insurance & you can QUIT if you're been attacked

I spoke of Consequence full thread here
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=105168&p=1637795&viewfull=1#post1637795

Consequence with a persistent universe simulator need to happen for it all to work well , and it will , give the DEV time

 

[Ideas Man]

You mean, 4,700 players and about 42K bots?

Wow is the botting that bad? I don't play Eve so have no idea, I'd love a link to read more about that if you have it, I do know WoW is struggling at the moment and their genius (sarcasm) idea is to nerf grinding spots, which obviously affects genuine players.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Same here, pretty much.

DISCLAIMER ***I am not insulting anyone here***

Things have moved on in gaming to such a degree that certain things are just taken for granted, and these things are standardised and just work.

Swimming against the tide is all well and good but the fact of the matter is that the torrent coming towards us in this flimsy metaphor is full of well used ideas that the gaming world has invented, tweaked and perfected over the last decade or so and to let them float by us and crash over the Waterfall Of Broken Dreams is silly, don't be scared of them, embrace them. The rest of the world has done for years and years and years

If the ideas are so well worn, why does Frontier *need* to adopt them - there must be plenty of other games out there to satisfy players who require these features....

Your statement seems to suggest that anyone that would prefer not to see such changes made to the game should just give up now because of the apparent inevitability of changes being made to the game to make it "conform" with players' expectations gained from other games.

 

[Dave1235]

If they integrate VALKYRIE elite will die

Lol in your opinion, I think the only change I will see is in the forums

 

[Ralph Vargr]

I'm going back to playing the game. It's more fun than this thread.

 

[DefiledDragon]

If they integrate VALKYRIE elite will die

No it won't. I didn't stop playing EVE because I couldn't "fly" my ship. I stopped playing because it gets boring really quickly and when it's not boring, it's like a 2nd job and really does feel like work. I play games to relax. I don't want to have to deal with the ego's and sensibilities of hundreds of other players all whinging that they want to do a mining op/WH/level 5's/roam/gate camp and so on and so on. There are plenty of other MMO's out there for people who enjoy that kind of thing. This isn't one of them.

 

[Herik]

well said

Nope; I want this David Braben's game!

 

[Tarman]

Wow is the botting that bad? I don't play Eve so have no idea, I'd love a link to read more about that if you have it, I do know WoW is struggling at the moment and their genius (sarcasm) idea is to nerf grinding spots, which obviously affects genuine players.

There's a lot of multiboxing going on; when you can make (and steal) real-worth monies there's incentive for the less ethical of us to make actual value.

 

[rapace]

How would one hope to accomplish that? Players have bought and paid for the game - financial threats are reduced to refusing to buy cosmetics or expansions (i.e. not stopping paying subscriptions as the game has none).

Not
you the player, you the other people in the company that might have some change of heart. Nothing is ever set in stone
be
like water

 

[Ideas Man]

If the ideas are so well worn, why does Frontier *need* to adopt them - there must be plenty of other games out there to satisfy players who require these features....

Your statement seems to suggest that anyone that would prefer not to see such changes made to the game should just give up now because of the apparent inevitability of changes being made to the game to make it "conform" with players' expectations gained from other games.

ED doesn't 'need' to take on anything as long as it remains popular and self sustaining, not at all.

The issue comes when a glut of new players leave because all the features they are accustomed to are missing. Maybe ED will get some, none, all of those things, who knows. My point is that it would be a shame to see it suffer if it didn't have those things.

My suspicion (guesswork) is that in time most will come as they make common sense to be there, there have been rumblings already about social tools and I find it really hard to believe that David Braben has reached the point already where he thinks enough stuff is in, that troubles me to agree with. Just being honest.

He created a forward thinking technical marvel of a game a long time ago and I would think he did that by using creative thinking and harnessing the joy of gaming, I doubt those qualities have evaporated, or maybe I am just dreaming, who really knows apart from him, eh?

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There's a lot of multiboxing going on; when you can make (and steal) real-worth monies there's incentive for the less ethical of us to make actual value.

Oh yeah I get that, I was just hoing for an article link or something as I like reading about things like that