Give us freedom, the same as EvE. Consigne the universe to the players, FD

Ideas Man

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Ideas Man
Ziggy Starduster said:
If you get what I'm saying don't respond with: no one should have opinions on a discussion forum, that just leads to crazy talk.

Because you then give the impression you don't get it at all.
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OK, let me rephrase.

No one on a discussion forum should label their idea as 'improvements' for fear of them not being improvements to other members of the forum. I think that's what you are saying? Sorry if I am missing something here, I do need coffee.
 

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Ideas Man said:
I get what you are saying, that one persons 'improvements' is another persons step backwards, I am with you on that, I just feel you need to let people say what they like and not control that aspect of their discussions.

If I say 'I think it's be a great improvement to have all the planets pink' then you should be telling me why that's a bad idea, not telling me that to you it's not an improvement, just by you addressing the point we would all get your other, pedantic point automatically.
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To be honest, and please understand I am going to extremes to make a point and I do not think that the original post was quite this far off the ball.

If we are building a house and you neglected to include a bathroom, it would be an improvement to add one at a later date however, if you are building a F1 racing car and decidedto add a boot as most cars people are familiar with have boots it would not be an improvement.

The question is are FDev building a house with no bathroom or an F1 racing car with no boot?
 

Ideas Man

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Chris M Fortune said:
To be honest, and please understand I am going to extremes to make a point and I do not think that the original post was quite this far off the ball.

If we are building a house and you neglected to include a bathroom, it would be an improvement to add one at a later date however, if you are building a F1 racing car and decidedto add a boot as most cars people are familiar with have boots it would not be an improvement.

The question is are FDev building a house with no bathroom or an F1 racing car with no boot?
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For a serious reply though, you have to look no further than David Braben for clarification:

David Braben said:
The "very disciplined" and "logical" development of the game, according to Braben, has meant it can feel a bit empty at the moment.

"I liken it to building a house," he remarked. "We built the foundations, we built the walls, we plastered it, we put the roof on. We're now putting the furniture in, but it's an empty house."
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So the founder of the games company making ED agrees with the sentiment that the game needs more 'stuff' - just when, not if that stuff comes is the key really.
 

ChrisUK27

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All these Elite arcade NIMBY players on here with the 'No,no,no' claim they have freedom.

Wake up, you have none.

You think by being a trader, Miner Bounty hunter, explorer etc you are doing you're own thing, but...Every task is designed to make credits.

The only thing you can spend your money on is your ship(s). (Some players two months in have the best ships already, two months, not years).

nothing else, how is that freedom? Give it six months and players will be like Scrooge McDuck sat on mountains of cash but nothing to do with it - Because it's the lore...
 
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Seonid said:
I've yet to see an Epic Mount drop from an Elite Anaconda either, who last had the work ticket for the Outrage Bus?
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and while your at it make sure braben didnt promise that while sellin his complete fantasy game as well
 
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Ideas Man

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Seonid said:
I've yet to see an Epic Mount drop from an Elite Anaconda either, who last had the work ticket for the Outrage Bus?
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An elite Anaconda IS the epic mount, it's funny to me if you can't see that.
The only difference really is an epic mount takes a hell of a lot less grinding to get, if any at all.

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Give it six months, and the pew-pew crew will have given up. Bliss :)
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Not gonna happen, they are the majority of online players, for better or for worse.
 

Marc Alexander

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boringnick said:
...retardly limited...Elite Dangerous is an mid 80s game...fancy graphics....internet-dongle...fancywords....dungeon master...that's a doomed game....ED is a retrograde remake. Big mistake on their part....whiners...fancy shaders....dead game.....voices crying...Eve and X3....compelling game....apply a paint job to a 30 year old one.....unacceptable
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I think you do yourself a disservice you know. You're not boring at all.

I find your posts very entertaining.
 
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Ideas Man said:
For a serious reply though, you have to look no further than David Braben for clarification:



So the founder of the games company making ED agrees with the sentiment that the game needs more 'stuff' - just when, not if that stuff comes is the key really.
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So can we please at least let FDev finish decorating :D then when we get to that point consider the extensions that could benefit the game at that stage.

I will openly state so there is no confusion, I personally am dead set against any player owned infrastructure in the game, from its very humble beginnings it has been focused on the role of the commander in the game. This does not in any way preclude player interaction and cooperation, I would love to see those developed as it is a logical and meaningful envelopment of the player pilot role. In this respect communication and short term local sharing of player resources to achieve a specific game triggered goal would be a massive improvement in my opinion.
 

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ChrisUK27 said:
All these Elite arcade NIMBY players on here with the 'No,no,no' claim they have freedom.

Wake up, you have none.

You think by being a trader, Miner Bounty hunter, explorer etc you are doing you're own thing, but...Every task is designed to make credits.

The only thing you can spend your money on is your ship(s). (Some players two months in have the best ships already, two months, not years).

nothing else, how is that freedom? Give it six months and players will be like Scrooge McDuck sat on mountains of cash but nothing to do with it - Because it's the lore...
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Yeah and i don't see how having player controlled systems impedes freedom anyway. Let's say there's a dodgy system that's owned by this group of players and its basically off limits... you can still go there... "sod that and sod their rules! I'll try to slip past them anyway and damn the consequences!" Or if they do have control of a station that sells a rare commodity and you want to control that asset, get your own group together and kick them out. Sounds pretty good to me.
 

Ideas Man

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Chris M Fortune said:
So can we please at least let FDev finish decorating :D then when we get to that point consider the extensions that could benefit the game at that stage.

I will openly state so there is no confusion, I personally am dead set against any player owned infrastructure in the game, from its very humble beginnings it has been focused on the role of the commander in the game. This does not in any way preclude player interaction and cooperation, I would love to see those developed as it is a logical and meaningful envelopment of the player pilot role. In this respect communication and short term local sharing of player resources to achieve a specific game triggered goal would be a massive improvement in my opinion.
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It's a tough one to call in some ways, Frontier will have us all be able to own our own bit of space soon and they will have us all be able to run around hunting dinosaurs, so god knows where this crazy trip will end up!
 

Calebe

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Elite Dangerous is the game I signed up for and it is the game they delivered so far. There should be much more coming, walking around the ship, landing on moons and planets and more. So why should they change it to be more like EvE when this is not EvE and never was sold as EvE 2 or anything along those lines? Owning stations was talked about and rejected. Why? With so many locations to go to why own one thing in a small area people will bypass if people try to annoy you there, or they go solo or private group to just forget it even exists? That takes us to the old argument should people be allowed to switch. The answer was, is, and always will be a resounding YES people can, will, and thus will always be the case.
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With that all said when we can land on planets, things change. Can you land and claim it? Not officially but should anyone land on it and you can walk around on it, then you can fight intruders unless they go solo or group. If they do you will never know they landed there in the first place, so as far as your concerned they never did, but you can 'feel' like you own it. Of course it would be boring just to stay on a planet if just to claim it, and not explore it, possibly and I hope happens mine it etc.. However I am getting in front of myself. There is so much potential, why doom it to an EvE wannabe?
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