I already affect your game whether you like it or not.
An alternative for you might be to try this game, I've played it and it sounds perfect for your needs: https://store.elitedangerous.com/elite-dangerous-cat/elite1984.html
Give us freedom, the same as EvE. Consigne the universe to the players, FD
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I already affect your game whether you like it or not.
An alternative for you might be to try this game, I've played it and it sounds perfect for your needs: https://store.elitedangerous.com/elite-dangerous-cat/elite1984.html
"the game I bought" certainly includes all of the stuff planned by FD. None of which was what the OP asks for.
If I had to choose between OP (and his desire to play EVE with cockpits) and FD (and their original design), OP loses.
Player content can be added without affecting your freedom, I don't really get why all you poeple believe that letting players do the game equals "you sha'll not pass" or equals "like eve" it can be added in a way players can be free and the ones who want to see some players interaction are happy. Owning a station doesn't absolutely means controlling the arrivals.
A main point with ED is the relative insignifance of each individual player in the larger game universe. In my opinion, where systems are huge and well-established (early settled worlds, billions of inhabitants), player actions should make very little (if any) difference to local power balances and politics. In frontier systems with small populations and factions of limited resources, player activity, even at an individual level, may do a lot of difference.
I think it is already like that, if maybe still being balanced. But honestly I'm not sure, am spending my Open Play time far, far away looking for nebula and other wonders. It has been many patches since I last saw another player, let alone a space station to dock at.
The point of EVE, on the other hand, is the player control and interaction. Let each game have their niches, please. It's actually nice to be able to play something that doesn't place the player in the centre, that doesn't have the universe revolving around us.
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I think it is already like that, if maybe still being balanced. But honestly I'm not sure, am spending my Open Play time far, far away looking for nebula and other wonders. It has been many patches since I last saw another player, let alone a space station to dock at.
The point of EVE, on the other hand, is the player control and interaction. Let each game have their niches, please. It's actually nice to be able to play something that doesn't place the player in the centre, that doesn't have the universe revolving around us.
SI'll agree there's room in the game for some more player-driven content, and it looks like Frontier are working to address that.
That said, I don't want Elite Dangerous to become the sociopath's playground that is EVE.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Of course you do - just as any player, in any mode, affects the common background simulation.
This is incredible hyperbole.
Just because their is sovereignty and player owned systems doesn't mean you have to attack it or have anything to do with it. It's just anothe avenue of gaming for the people who want a real sandbox they can affect.
BTW it was not an exploit about BoB. it was using real life skills in the sandbox. Too far? maybe, but not an exploit.
It would have probably helped if the title of this thread omitted any reference to EvE, that's always inflammatory and unnecessary
What is evident is that, now that players have hundreds of million and even billions of credits, they need something to spend it on
What is evident is that, now that players have hundreds of million and even billions of credits, they need something to spend it on
Just a thought, why assume a player owned station would not let you in? The main purpose of stations is a central point of trade, so its no use without traders and people paying for repairs. If your group puts huge amounts of time and effort into expanding civilised space, taking a cut off trade in the new stations is a nice reward.
Ideas Man
Banned
Yeah I'd agree with you.
I have no desire to play Eve either, I just have no desire to chase around dinosaurs as well.
I'm looking forward to owning my own building in space though, that much I can agree with FD on and good on them for letting players control space in that way, it is a feature I am looking forward to.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
I must have missed that nugget - can you point me to the Dev quote / video / etc. where player owned assets (except ships or cargo) is fleshed out?
Ideas Man
Banned
OK here's an Idea, I think everyone would like.
So you have a extra large group of commanders that want to occupy some sovereign space in open play. They want this, "too be able to call this space home", "defend it", "fight for it", "own it".
Why not buy it? Not for credits, but for real cash dollars. good old fashion money. Say $10,000.00 US dollars per system? If you have an org with say 1500 members, heck that's only comes out to about $7 dollars per member. That's not going to break anyone. You will just have to arrange it outside of the game, give said money to your leader, and trust him to follow thru with making the purchase. Should be pretty easy.
Then you purchase the station in much the same way, about 10K, another seven bucks per member. But when you first get it, it's just an outpost. It's now up to your organization to grow it into a city in space. This can be done with in game mechanics, heck you paid for the privilege you should have this as a given.
So there you would have it, "Frontier" would be happy, heck they made 20K. I'm pretty sure they would like that. Yea there would be complaints for the player base, but some people complain about anything. LOL. But I wouldn't complain too much, because you put your money where your mouth is!
1) So now you have a station & space. : ), Now you have to defend it. Because as this is a special player owned station it can be: Destroyed, or Conquered, by both players and NPC's. Oh yea same with your space.
2) the most important part. If your org. does something stupid, like say infiltrate or invade a designated PVE group, just for kicks. I'm sure many large org.s would refer to this as emergent game play in some weird, twisted sort of
way. The whole org. having a good ole laugh in the process. Well in addition of "Frontier" banning your whole org., they will be able to attack and recapture all your holdings with their NPC army's. Once the NPC army has it, it just
becomes another station. No more special.
So in summary, Frontier would be happy, mostly because they got 20K to do this special for you. I'll be happy, because there will be some actual checks and balances you might be afraid of.
Oh yea, once you own the station and space, I think it would only be fair to pay "Frontier" a $9.99 fee per player, per month for the special maintenance need of you station on their server
So you have a extra large group of commanders that want to occupy some sovereign space in open play. They want this, "too be able to call this space home", "defend it", "fight for it", "own it".
Why not buy it? Not for credits, but for real cash dollars. good old fashion money. Say $10,000.00 US dollars per system? If you have an org with say 1500 members, heck that's only comes out to about $7 dollars per member. That's not going to break anyone. You will just have to arrange it outside of the game, give said money to your leader, and trust him to follow thru with making the purchase. Should be pretty easy.
Then you purchase the station in much the same way, about 10K, another seven bucks per member. But when you first get it, it's just an outpost. It's now up to your organization to grow it into a city in space. This can be done with in game mechanics, heck you paid for the privilege you should have this as a given.
So there you would have it, "Frontier" would be happy, heck they made 20K. I'm pretty sure they would like that. Yea there would be complaints for the player base, but some people complain about anything. LOL. But I wouldn't complain too much, because you put your money where your mouth is!
1) So now you have a station & space. : ), Now you have to defend it. Because as this is a special player owned station it can be: Destroyed, or Conquered, by both players and NPC's. Oh yea same with your space.
2) the most important part. If your org. does something stupid, like say infiltrate or invade a designated PVE group, just for kicks. I'm sure many large org.s would refer to this as emergent game play in some weird, twisted sort of
way. The whole org. having a good ole laugh in the process. Well in addition of "Frontier" banning your whole org., they will be able to attack and recapture all your holdings with their NPC army's. Once the NPC army has it, it just
becomes another station. No more special.
So in summary, Frontier would be happy, mostly because they got 20K to do this special for you. I'll be happy, because there will be some actual checks and balances you might be afraid of.
Oh yea, once you own the station and space, I think it would only be fair to pay "Frontier" a $9.99 fee per player, per month for the special maintenance need of you station on their server
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Ideas Man
Banned
To be honest if I could own a station I wouldn't do it for PVP gains, I may be in the minority here but just chilling near my own station as it took in 10% of profits or whatever would be more than enough for me.
I wouldn't want to adversely affect other players experiences at all.
I wouldn't want to adversely affect other players experiences at all.
I agree with you. I think people immediately imagine what they've already experienced elsewhere.
There was a post here yesterday about a possible way to do player (partially) owned outposts that I personally thought sounded great. What it amounted to was giving groups of players the ability to define themselves as a faction in some system, and be listed in the factional control portion of that star system's info just as local NPC factions are listed now. If they managed to gain control via the standard mission system we have now, they might get a better deal when purchasing exports for transport out, and/or reduced fuel/repair costs. Nothing enormous, just a little boost that says, 'this system is your home system'.
Something like that seems to me like a positive addition that wouldn't adversely affect anyone else, as EVE's systems are designed to do. It would just add a bit of personal connection for players inclined to do it.
But whatever. Frontier already has an extensive list of things they want to add, so I'm fine just waiting to see how that gels, too.
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Eve already exists and we don't need to copy it here
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All that takes is one careless comment on TS, an improperly secured router, and a Windows PC.
It's all downhill from there, involving endless credit rebuilding, stress with your significant other, and explaining to the police that you are really not the next Gary Glitter.
Just absolutely no to real money transfers for in-game benefits. Cosmetics, yes by all means - but absolutely nothing that affects anything in-game.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Ta. The other video links in the wikia article make interesting watching with respect to fleets (i.e. resource management) and the perception of the effect that they would have on the game.
So EVE has everything you want, but you want to be able to fly a ship like you could in E : D alpha.. you should be asking CCP to add player piloted ships not on here asking FD to change everything about the game except the very first thing they developed.
Don't take it to heart too much, Just a silly idea. LOL. Ya know everyone has em. : )
On a serious note, any player freedom from this prospective need a really serious wrath associated with it. That was mostly my point.
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