Give Yamiks an Alpha key!

[Florenus]

Yes, it does matter. It's the whole point. Who defines "civilized"? You? Me? Fdev? Yamiks?

The amount of hypocrisy in this thread is mindboggling.

For company like Frontier it's a matter of image - being or not being associated with something.
They make family friendly games - they don't want to be associated in any way with someone creating controversial content. It's that simple.
You seem to be unable to separate your own sensitivity from the corporate POV.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

I kinda agree with that, so again, I question their handling of this. If they blew me off with the key story, that is fine. I have no channel, nothing. I earned the corporate blow off. But the thinking that they could blow this guy off, is astounding. They should have foreseen this coming. It's a conversation they should have had before he sent the request for the key in the first place. They must have known it was coming (troubling if they didn't) so get your position right from the start.

Alright I can now see where you come from, and agree they knew who they were dealing with (and would need to expect that Y will publicise this, like he did) so the initial response was probably not the correct template they should've picked for him. Maybe Yamiks got the Intern treatment initially

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Alright I can now see where you come from, and agree they knew who they were dealing with (and would need to expect that Y will publicise this, like he did) so the initial response was probably not the correct template they should've picked for him. Maybe Yamiks got the Intern treatment initially

This is there thing that has troubled me then most about the whole thing. It's proper amateur stuff. They run the risk of a credibility issue which spreads wider than keys for this or that person. Now when they say something to us a players, be it about rules or releases, there is a risk that we think, is that real? Is it a blow off? There has been some minor, totally avoidable damage here. Yamiks is just an irrelevant part in it for me.

 

[Red Anders]

Yes, it does matter. It's the whole point. Who defines "civilized"? You? Me? Fdev? Yamiks?

The amount of hypocrisy in this thread is mindboggling.

When you're asking me to give you free stuff? Me mate. I define it. Welcome to the real world, hope you enjoy your stay.

 

[askavir]

Don't you think the second message is slightly undermined by not saying it straight away? People in this thread are still desperate to believe that it is simply because he is critical of the game. They're not going to buy the second message any more than the first. They should have been clear. This would have been an entirely different thread if they had.

If I think so? Yes I do. Do I think it matters? Not really.

Do I think this is going to affect FD in the slightest? Not at all.

The Order of the Brown Knights will have a new flag to rally behind and will engage in some clicktivism for a few days "fighting the power that silences those who dare to stand against oppression", in the same sense those high school kids wearing Che Guevara t-shirts purchased on Amazon and manufactured by cheap labour in Bangladesh are fighting "capitalism".

But they were already moaning before (and they were already the bulk of his viewers), so nothing changed. In a few days the alpha drops, those who wanted EDO will be far too busy either playing the alpha or wathing videos / sreenshots etc, and those who didn't wanted EDO will keep on the same old moaning. Nobody will care about this yamik's key anymore, and any memory of this will be lost in time, like a fart in the wind.

 

[Vandaahl]

This is there thing that has troubled me then most about the whole thing. It's proper amateur stuff. They run the risk of a credibility issue which spreads wider than keys for this or that person. Now when they say something to us a players, be it about rules or releases, there is a risk that we think, is that real? Is it a blow off? There has been some minor, totally avoidable damage here. Yamiks is just an irrelevant part in it for me.

You either give a key to everyone, or to no one. Both doesn't work, so people start drawing lines. Yamiks ended up at the same side as you and me. I really dont get it all the fuss about it. Yamiks thinks he is something Frontier thinks he is not, thats fine.

 

[Greasetrap42]

I suppose all I'm saying is you pick your battles, and FD tried this with their initial response.

Frontier gave a typical response that I would expect from a typical company. Publicl endorsment of Yamilks would be against their image and a potential PR disaster.

Yamiks howver, also picked his battle and has much more to lose in the long run. He will have tough time aquiring endorsment or any kind of cooperative behaviour from Frontier or any other company he would like to deal with in future. Having to deal with a guy that is strongly against a company's image and willing to bite anytime isn't really someone companies want to align with.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

This is there thing that has troubled me then most about the whole thing. It's proper amateur stuff. They run the risk of a credibility issue which spreads wider than keys for this or that person. Now when they say something to us a players, be it about rules or releases, there is a risk that we think, is that real? Is it a blow off? There has been some minor, totally avoidable damage here. Yamiks is just an irrelevant part in it for me.

Hmm, I wouldn't go that far - I see this as a single blip in their communication approach with one specific Youtube Diva, and it's only gained so much attention because there's nothing else happening with the game at the moment, so people jump on it (including myself).

Although I always take everything a company tells me with a pinch of salt anyways, particularly Frontier - and not because I think they're being nefarious about it; just that some areas within the company could be improved upon (communication being one, which applies to pretty much any company I worked for, ever). Doesn't make me inherently distrust Frontier outright though, and certainly not because of this particular mini-drama.

 

[avow555]

And who cares.

I would certainly like to know who is on Fdevs special list!

 

[WeComeInPeace]

Wider society has agreed values (far too slowly) they believe some of his stuff goes against those agreed values. They specifically mention sexuality in that message. It is agreed throughout most non-demented people, that slurs, or phrases that are homophobic are undesirable.

Toilet humour is not the same as using slurs.

Again, where have you seen Yamiks being homophobic?

I agree that "civilized" is sort of a common denominator, but still, in the country where I live, the f-word were recently adapted as a word in the official dictionary. We are considered to be a highly civilized country. As I wrote earlier those things change with time. On top of that I could ask you to define "value", but that wouldn't be fair.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

My Mrs is a very well respected writer/consultant in the marketing/advertising/comms world. She has been working personally, 1-2-1 with a guy for a decade who is considered to be one of the leading people in this field, if not the best in the world, then certainly Europe.

I have, as a matter of osmosis I suppose, picked up a lot of stuff from these people and I can assure you, that FD come off as amatuer in this.

Whether you agree with their stance or not is irrelevant, they have fumbled this in a processes way. They will, I hope, learn from this and perhaps they will overcome the minor damage it has (imo) caused. But it troubles me that they have fumbled this in such a foolish way.

Again, where have you seen Yamiks being homophobic?

I inferred it from their second statement. They mention sexuality, they mention being offensive. I may have clumsily put 2+2 together, but I think their message is pretty clear. They believe his content to be above toilet humour and to actually be offensive to certain sections of society.

 

[Vandaahl]

Again, where have you seen Yamiks being homophobic?

Did you watch his Krait MKII review? Its the one OA was co starring in. I stopped taking both serious after that.

 

[lysan]

This is there thing that has troubled me then most about the whole thing. It's proper amateur stuff. They run the risk of a credibility issue which spreads wider than keys for this or that person. Now when they say something to us a players, be it about rules or releases, there is a risk that we think, is that real? Is it a blow off? There has been some minor, totally avoidable damage here. Yamiks is just an irrelevant part in it for me.

There is always a front story and then there is the real story, a long corporate life taught me this. FDEV just don’t handle these situations very well.

 

[avow555]

For company like Frontier it's a matter of image - being or not being associated with something.
They make family friendly games - they don't want to be associated in any way with someone creating controversial content. It's that simple.
You seem to be unable to separate your own sensitivity from the corporate POV.

And the fact there are slaves in the game is family friendly in what way?

 

[WeComeInPeace]

In the context of this thread they do because everything happens related to their platforms. The lowest denominator for Yamiks is the point where Youtube demonetizes his content.

Outside the context, I'm not sure what kind of definition you are searching for "civilized". According to the dictionary it means either "polite and well-mannered" in which case frat humour hardly fits or "at an advanced stage of social and cultural development", in which case frat humour is civilized, but so is hardcore pornography.

Well it's kind of a circular argument, because polite, well-mannered and civilized all mean roughly the same thingy. Like "You can't break the law because it's illegal".

"Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with."

Circular reasoning - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Boomtrooper]

Frontier, as is their right as the releasing company, have made a decision that they do not want to be associated with a potty-mouthed whining adolescent who has made a 'living' out of vilifying the Frontier organisation without really adding anything constructive as far as I can see. Having lots of followers is not necessarily a marker of kudos... there are plenty of anti-vaxxer sites for example with thousands of followers, but as a medic, I would not want to involve them in our Covid vaccination programme or garner their opinions.
Bottom line, it is Frontier's prerogative and decision that they do not want to align with him, and he can go buy his own Alpha release like the rest of us.
The only shame about this is that he has had so much free publicity which is obviously a benefit when you're a youtuber. Personally I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than listen to his incessant whining hyperbole!
No doubt now the avalanche of Yamiks fandom

 

[lysan]

And the fact there are slaves in the game is family friendly in what way?

Oh old boy, it’s the tone, not the content.

 

[Red Anders]

Again, where have you seen Yamiks being homophobic?

I agree that "civilized" is sort of a common denominator, but still, in the country where I live, the f-word were recently adapted as a word in the official dictionary. We are considered to be a highly civilized country. As I wrote earlier those things change with time. On top of that I could ask you to define "value", but that wouldn't be fair.

You seem to have some sort of cognitive blocker around the fact that nobody cares where you think any limit should be set. It's utterly irrelevant. You're dealing with a corporate entity who have the absolute right to set whatever terms they wish to when deciding with whom they engage (especially in terms of who they decide to give free stuff to ) and your sanction starts and ends with your personal decision as to whether to engage with their product.

I'd also note that FDev haven't been making public statements here. They have been replying in private to private e-mails which someone has then chosen to make public as part of his whinefest.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

And the fact there are slaves in the game is family friendly in what way?

Whether you believe it is right or not, FD separate fiction (the game) from reality. So whilst their fictional game contains slavery, no one in their right mind believes that they are supporters of real life slavery.

 

[WeComeInPeace]

You seem to have some sort of cognitive blocker around the fact that nobody cares where you think any limit should be set. It's utterly irrelevant. You're dealing with a corporate entity who have the absolute right to set whatever terms they wish to when deciding with whom they engage (especially in terms of who they decide to give free stuff to ) and your sanction starts and ends with your personal decision as to whether to engage with their product.

You don't reflect much upon reality, do you?