Glorious HIPs - 3306

Getedoi

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Looks like HIP 54978 has a rare case of mysterious invisible ring. This icy body supposedly boasts a juicy 50Ls ring
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but when getting close to the body there's no apparent second ring:
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It gets weirder - flying to where the enormous invisible ring should be drops you out into nothingness
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and when looking towards the parent body, even the first ring dissapears
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varonica

varonica
Getedoi said:
and when looking towards the parent body, even the first ring dissapears
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That wouldn't surprise me, the outer radius of the inner ring is around 250,000klms, the inner radius of the outer ring is around 680,000 klms, so you are looking edge on at a line that may be several kilometers thick from a minimum distance of around 300,000klms to a maximum of 17 million kilometers, I would have been very surprised of the opposite had been the case!
 

varonica

varonica
The good news is the FC nameless is now fully fueled, and I am glad I didn't rush, the efficiency of Tritium has been doubled before I departed so that doubles my range and will make things much easier. It's time to set my bookmarks and finish of my slice.
 

Getedoi

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varonica said:
And coincidentally the very next day I also came across a large invisible ring;
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Damn, I was counting on handplaced systems to have a higher quota of bugged bodies :LOL:.
About that emergency drop, mine was dropping me nearer to the inner edge, until about 3ls. After that, no drop. Could be the same for that Y.
 

varonica

varonica
Getedoi said:
Damn, I was counting on handplaced systems to have a higher quota of bugged bodies :LOL:.
About that emergency drop, mine was dropping me nearer to the inner edge, until about 3ls. After that, no drop. Could be the same for that Y.
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No, what happens is that the rings with huge diameters will be either visible or invisible depending on the amount of mass in the ring, the invisible rings have a mass too small to really be visible, the individual particles are spread far to thinly to actually be visible as a continuous body, by examining the ring inner and outer circumferences and assuming that all rings have the same thickness I think we could work out the minimum ring density required for a ring to be A) visible B) invisible but dense enough to kick a ship out of SC and C) invisble and not dense enough to quick a ship out of SC.

One ring that was invisible and kicked me out of SC actually had particles but not the large rocks we normally expect, so there's probably a density below which they won't appear in a ring. The ring that kicked me out of SC but was otherwise invisible had a lot of these;

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I could only see them using NV, but they were definitely there in supposedly empty space, so the ring didn't have enough mass to form the larger rocks.
 

Pirin

Pirin
I think i just found a star which is outside the limits of our Galaxy :)
HIP 67707
Looks like this system exists in the DB wiht z=~10 000. But the galaxy map can only display coordinates up to z=9015.
Steps to reproduce: search the galaxy map for HIP 67707. It will display an empty space at z=9015. Press Search again. The star will appear briefly at z=~10000 and then the cursor will reset back to the empty space at 9015.
If these coordinates are correct, what does this star do up there? A runaway star trying to leave the galaxy?
 

Getedoi

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varonica said:
No, what happens is that the rings with huge diameters will be either visible or invisible depending on the amount of mass in the ring, the invisible rings have a mass too small to really be visible, the individual particles are spread far to thinly to actually be visible as a continuous body, by examining the ring inner and outer circumferences and assuming that all rings have the same thickness I think we could work out the minimum ring density required for a ring to be A) visible B) invisible but dense enough to kick a ship out of SC and C) invisble and not dense enough to quick a ship out of SC.

One ring that was invisible and kicked me out of SC actually had particles but not the large rocks we normally expect, so there's probably a density below which they won't appear in a ring. The ring that kicked me out of SC but was otherwise invisible had a lot of these;

I could only see them using NV, but they were definitely there in supposedly empty space, so the ring didn't have enough mass to form the larger rocks.
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Yeah, saw the generated particles in HIP 54978 AB2 Ring 2 as well. They were pretty much the only clue that I was in an asteroid ring.

Did some math and got these densities in T/sqkm for both bodies
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HIP 54978 AB21953223.361995.33
Prooe Dryeia fv-x D1-0 69895601.77450.86
Looks like the drop-off limit is somewhere between 500 and 2000 T/sqkm.
 
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varonica

varonica
Getedoi said:
Yeah, saw the generated particles in HIP 54978 AB2 Ring 2 as well. They were pretty much the only clue that I was in an asteroid ring.

Did some math and got these densities in T/sqkm for both bodies
BodyRingARingB
HIP 54978 AB21953223.361995.33
Prooe Dryeia fv-x D1-0 69895601.77450.86
Looks like the drop-off limit is somewhere betweek 500 and 2000 T/sqkm.
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Interesting, and I just passed through an invisible ring that pulled up the "slow down" warning but didn't drop me out of SC. This one;

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So there's another level as well, rings that will slow you down but won't drop you out of SC.
 

13A

13A
Pirin said:
I think i just found a star which is outside the limits of our Galaxy :)
HIP 67707
Looks like this system exists in the DB wiht z=~10 000. But the galaxy map can only display coordinates up to z=9015.
Steps to reproduce: search the galaxy map for HIP 67707. It will display an empty space at z=9015. Press Search again. The star will appear briefly at z=~10000 and then the cursor will reset back to the empty space at 9015.
If these coordinates are correct, what does this star do up there? A runaway star trying to leave the galaxy?
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HIP 88559 is the same in my slice, and I think others have found similar escapees. Although most stars are relatively close to the galactic plane, if memory serves there's a thinly populated halo that extends out some distance beyond that.
 

varonica

varonica
13A/24B said:
HIP 88559 is the same in my slice, and I think others have found similar escapees. Although most stars are relatively close to the galactic plane, if memory serves there's a thinly populated halo that extends out some distance beyond that.
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Yes I have two in slice 42.
 

Orvidius

Orvidius
Yeah, the galactic halo is often mostly spherical around galaxies, and consists of stars on fairly random orbits. I like to use the example of the Sombrero Galaxy, since the various galactic features are highly visible. In the image below (in the spoiler) you can clearly see the galactic plane, complete with opaque dust clouds. The roughly elliptical "haze" around the entire galaxy is really the halo, made up of billions of stars. (In this case it's really an elliptical galaxy rather than a spiral, but it illustrates the idea).

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EDIT: A very simple diagram:

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Getedoi

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Why did Fdev bother to place the occasional real-life HIP if it's in an obviously unreachable spot in-game?
For example, in slice 32 there were no less than 8 HIPs at altitudes greater than 7000.
 

MattG

MattG
I expect to have some free time, and a fueled carrier in the bubble imminently - can I grab a slice please? 😀
 

iain666

iain666
Getedoi said:
Why did Fdev bother to place the occasional real-life HIP if it's in an obviously unreachable spot in-game?
For example, in slice 32 there were no less than 8 HIPs at altitudes greater than 7000.
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Because they can. And presumably that's where the catalogue they took their real stars from says they are (give or take)
 
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