Glorious HIPs - 3306

[JonathanBurnage]

Plenty of good work can be done without a carrier on this one. A lot of what we need to do involves checking known (irl) stars in the galaxy map to see if they exist; if they do we note their location. Together we can build a map of them and hopefully reach some far-out places!

 

[Valije]

Before the FC patch I was scanning in the very bottom of the galaxy near the bubble. Lots of HD and HIPP still undiscovered, most of them Giant stars, even when I only explored a 1kly wide strip heading the core. I assume you will be able to find lots in the other directions and the same should be happening in the top of the galaxy. Plenty of them (most?) are reacheable with a ship, but some are too far even for the FC.

Unfortunately I moved my FC 40kly from Sol and will be unable to join.

 

[Jackie Silver]

I've added a set of spreadsheet columns that will estimate a star's west-east and south-north coordinates based only on its down-up coordinate and galactic lon / lat values - this should act as a "reality check" on the positions of stars in game, if I have got my trigonometry right (which is a big if...) I'll need to do some checking but it might be quite helpful as you can get the down-up coordinate much easier on the galmap than the others and it'll be interesting to see which stars in game are not where they should be according to the catalogs.

This once again brings up the eternal bugbear of which coordinate system to use - I have always favoured x as west east, y as south north, z as down up, but Elite uses x as west east, y as down up, z as south north. I should probably move the columns around on the spreadsheet to get things in the same order as the game displays them.

(Done - I've switched the coordinates round to be in the same order as they are on the galmap. Now either my trig is wrong, or a lot of stars are at somewhat different positions than they should be - I'll do some further digging on that.)

 

[varonica]

Before the FC patch I was scanning in the very bottom of the galaxy near the bubble. Lots of HD and HIPP still undiscovered, most of them Giant stars,

Giant stars seem to be very common in the HD category from my quick check today, but I guess that's because they are easier to spot from earth and get listed in out catalogues.

 

[Straha Yeagar]

I've added a set of spreadsheet columns that will estimate a star's west-east and south-north coordinates based only on its down-up coordinate and galactic lon / lat values - this should act as a "reality check" on the positions of stars in game, if I have got my trigonometry right (which is a big if...) I'll need to do some checking but it might be quite helpful as you can get the down-up coordinate much easier on the galmap than the others and it'll be interesting to see which stars in game are not where they should be according to the catalogs.

This once again brings up the eternal bugbear of which coordinate system to use - I have always favoured x as west east, y as south north, z as down up, but Elite uses x as west east, y as down up, z as south north. I should probably move the columns around on the spreadsheet to get things in the same order as the game displays them.

(Done - I've switched the coordinates round to be in the same order as they are on the galmap. Now either my trig is wrong, or a lot of stars are at somewhat different positions than they should be - I'll do some further digging on that.)

Of course in astronomical terms, the difference between really close and exact can still be orders of magnitude

 

[djstyler]

Hi all. Apologies, been ill this week so not been online, it's also much too hot to be in VR!

I'm aiming to jump Thunder Child again next week.

I think the best option is to head to Colonia to refuel then head to Beagle Point. Looking at visiting some interesting places along the way for anyone interested such as Lagrange Clouds

 

[Rollo]

I have an old bookmark of a 'Hipster' down almost spot on our route down to Kepler's Crest (FC deployment). It's not even listed in your list, Jackie. So at least we might be able to contribute with that one.

 

[varonica]

Added my first one to EDSM, it was already discovered but EDSM reports me the first visitor they have records of! HD 100281.

 

[Factabulous]

I've added a few more to EDSM, think they were all already visited. Lots in the permit locked areas.

 

[duckofdeath]

This is a good initiative, I think. I did target catalogue named stars for a long while back in the days, as my theory was that they are probably from an earlier stellar forge and might have more "broken" designs, like Mitterand Hollow and NGC 7822. I later switched focus to type O stars near the core, as those are a lot more abundant and sort of has a similarly extreme stellar forge model.

 

[varonica]

I've added a few more to EDSM, think they were all already visited. Lots in the permit locked areas.

This is a very rewarding project, just when you think all the interesting stars in a region have all been mapped, you drop into a system, HD 9**** (I haven't turned the data in yet) and discover a F class White Supergiant, that's a nice tick in my codex!

 

[Factabulous]

I'm going to work through the 110xxx range until we get official ranges

 

[varonica]

I'm going to work through the 110xxx range until we get official ranges

Yeah it's a problem, I just found a really nice one in the 9**** again, G class Giant, Helium rich GG in the system, heading for the Gam Nine next to turn them in, then off again to a few more in the area. There's a risk of trawling over the same stars until we get a proper system in place.

 

[Jackie Silver]

Working on it - sorry for the delay, been occupied with RL stuff this weekend. Hopefully tomorrow evening we should have a proper system in place!

 

[Factabulous]

PSA : If you're jumping into a new system in a FC make sure that EDSM etc get your data - I had issues today with an unvisited system as I was running an old EDMC install, and it didn't pick up the jump (fleet carriers use different events in the journal). Relogging fixed the issue, but worth checking when everyone visits their first

 

[Jackie Silver]

Right, I'm delighted to say I think we're good to go! I've added a new tab to the spreadsheet with a set of 55 slices of stars to look at. Each contains 500 HIP catalog stars that are currently unknown to EDSM (well, ok, the last slice is only half sized.)

The slices are arranged by galactic longitude, starting at zero ("north" towards Sgr A* from Sol) and working round anticlockwise. Because of the different densities of stars in different directions, and the differences in how thoroughly different directions have been mapped the slices are of different widths.

On the first tab of the spreadsheet, the unknown stars in the catalog are at the bottom of the sheet. (I'm laying claim to slice 47, because it just so happens that's where my carrier is at the moment.)

The numbers are the start and end rows for each slice - obviously stars within a particular slice by galactic longitude don't fall in to a neat sequence through the catalog but the benefit of this approach is that it gives us much neater directions than the Earth-based slanted planes that a series of HIP numbers give.

So! Please request a slice, and either send me an edit request for the main sheet (or just download a copy and get cracking and send when you're done). Once you've confirmed a star's name in the game please enter it in the spreadsheet in the "Name in Elite" column. (Any star you visit and upload to edsm which has a name in the HIP, HD, HR or Durchmusterung catalogs will be picked up automatically when I update the sheet using edsm data, but the ones with proper names or names from other catalogs we need the Elite name as a key.)

These are the ranges by start and end row on the sheet:

1	91590	92089	0
2	92090	92589
3	92590	93089
4	93090	93589
5	93590	94089
6	94090	94589
7	94590	95089
8	95090	95589
9	95590	96089
10	96090	96589
11	96590	97089
12	97090	97589
13	97590	98089
14	98090	98589
15	98590	99089
16	99090	99589
17	99590	100089
18	100090	100589
19	100590	101089
20	101090	101589
21	101590	102089
22	102090	102589
23	102590	103089
24	103090	103589
25	103590	104089
26	104090	104589
27	104590	105089
28	105090	105589
29	105590	106089
30	106090	106589
31	106590	107089
32	107090	107589
33	107590	108089
34	108090	108589
35	108590	109089
36	109090	109589
37	109590	110089
38	110090	110589
39	110590	111089
40	111090	111589
41	111590	112089
42	112090	112589
43	112590	113089
44	113090	113589
45	113590	114089
46	114090	114589
47	114590	115089	315.1346	319.6314	Jackie Silver	In progress
48	115090	115589
49	115590	116089
50	116090	116589
51	116590	117089
52	117090	117589
53	117590	118089
54	118090	118589
55	118590	118801		360			Half range.

 

[Rampant]

I'm loving this idea.

O7

 

[Jackie Silver]

For stars which are particularly difficult to reach, we have another spreadsheet on which approximate positions of stars (as seen on the galmap) can be entered and which can then generate plots of routes to them, courtesy of CMDR jonburnage. Available here.

 

[rOmiLaYu]

Tagged for later. Currently onboard DSSA Somethingortheother, headed back from Beagle Point. But have an XBox CMDR in the Bubble. Always up for a bit of new shiney.

 

[JonathanBurnage]

For stars which are particularly difficult to reach, we have another spreadsheet on which approximate positions of stars (as seen on the galmap) can be entered and which can then generate plots of routes to them, courtesy of CMDR jonburnage. Available here.

Ping me here or on Discord (DISC / FleetComm / DM) if you would like access to help with mapping the high and low stars. You don't need a carrier to help with this one, or even a particularly long-range starship. We have identified stars that are likely to be far from the galactic plane; what we need to do now is look them up on the galaxy map to see if they exist in-game, and note their coordinates if they do. Hopefully once we have enough we'll be able to create a map to some really cool places!