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Glorious HIPs - 3306
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I am heading that way - HIP 47287 - so can re-scan anyway
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All done - they now show me (well Bill Quincy) discovering on EDM
On my way back to Jameson I have been checking all HIPs. I found HIP 47714 was not fully scanned in EDSM, so fixed it.
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I think I just found a route to S Virginis. Which is in EDSM, but has no visitor data. So I presume has been trilaterated but never been visited.
That may not sound much but there are a quite a few HIP stars within FC range of S Virginis that are currently marked unreachable.
The route involves visiting one of Jackie Silvers' finds, but I think she missed the route to the further out HIPs.
I'll let you know tomorrow how I get on.
Edit : Well that was somewhat annoying. I am well on the way to S Virginis, but made a slight detour to HD 126032 (HIP 70293) which is also on my list.
So when I got there, it was already discovered by a Cmdr Dropstone Ted, congratulation Cmdr ! And what a nice name, which is new to me.
However, there was nowhere for me to tag anything there, because every single body (19) was already fully mapped. Still, it's now in EDSM with my cmdr name.;
That may not sound much but there are a quite a few HIP stars within FC range of S Virginis that are currently marked unreachable.
The route involves visiting one of Jackie Silvers' finds, but I think she missed the route to the further out HIPs.
I'll let you know tomorrow how I get on.
Edit : Well that was somewhat annoying. I am well on the way to S Virginis, but made a slight detour to HD 126032 (HIP 70293) which is also on my list.
So when I got there, it was already discovered by a Cmdr Dropstone Ted, congratulation Cmdr ! And what a nice name, which is new to me.
However, there was nowhere for me to tag anything there, because every single body (19) was already fully mapped. Still, it's now in EDSM with my cmdr name.;
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There are four distances listed for S Virginis so yes triangulated;
EDSM - Elite Dangerous Star Map
The Galactic Positioning System of Elite: Dangerous at your service.
www.edsm.net
Made it at last. It was not quite as easy as I thought, at one point I was only 600ly from S Virginis, but then it took another 11 carrier jumps to get there. Jackie Silver had got quite close, having got first visited on several stars on the route, but had not logged them on EDSM.
PS. If FD see this screen shot, this is what a system map looks like on a 21:9 screen. Nearly a quarter of the screen is wasted.
PS. If FD see this screen shot, this is what a system map looks like on a 21:9 screen. Nearly a quarter of the screen is wasted.
I was thinking when you made the previous post, 11 carrier jumps for a single star adds up in a real hurry. That's quite some dedication!
That was the worst one, not quite as bad as that now. But finding waypoints is very slow.
The Spansh FC plotter is not much good up here because very few of the stars are on EDSM.
At least I'm now going in roughly the right direction over the top of the galaxy.
Another 4 stars to go (about 3kly) to go before I head down to the bottom of the galaxy and make my way back to the bubble.
I started with 66 stars on my list and I've done 25 of them.
The good news is I have only 16 stars to go in my slice, so much faster than I expected and finishing in plenty of time for Odyssey Alpha. But I don't want to start another slice and end up being occupied with that when Odyssey Alpha drops so I will have a week or so spare time to occupy, if you have some spare targets for me I will be happy to hit some stars for you.
Oh yes there was one thing I was wondering, for these stars that are out of FC range, can we still enter distances in EDSM and triangulate a more accurate location? Doing that might help with checking routes to them. I was wondering if it made sense for someone to pop up to Rackhams's Peak and go through the records and enter distances, I believe we need four distance from known locations to get a precise location.
Talking of Rackhams Peak, it is interesting that HIP 57785 is about 450ly above Rackhams Peak, but unfortunately 568ly away.
I am working on a new version of the program that finds stars close to the unreachable ones, which is how I found HIP 57785.
It now finds the nearest N stars to a given target star, where N is a parameter, currently set to 100. Quite an interesting C program that reads 60+million star records and checks their positions against a list of 1000 unreachable stars, and keeps track of the nearest 100 stars for each. Takes about an hour to run. The aim is to find a suitable star towards the plane and calculate a route to the target star.
This was done in response to the problem of not knowing whether the stars in EDSM were actually reachable or just triangulated.
I downloaded the Spansh database a couple of days ago and it looks as if it may now be possible to identify triangulated systems in there.
I can create a more reliable list of reachable stars in a couple of days time, and post a list of the most likely reachable stars.
I keep looking to see how to add stars to EDSM so that they can be properly triangulated, but haven't found a way. It would good to add all 1000 unreachables to EDSM. I have fairly good estimates for all of them anyway, and now that I can identify triangulated stars in the Spansh data, it wouldn't matter if they were added to EDSM.
Of course, if we added all HIP stars to edsm to be triangulated, we would'nt have to actually visit any ot them !
There seems to be a way but I have never tested it. Once you select a system in EDSM you see 5 tabs, Summary, Celestial Bodies, Stations, Galnet and Distances. In Distances I can enter the name of a system and the distance in ly taken from the galmap. I see from Jackie's records a couple of distances were entered late last year so it still seems to be possible and looks quite simple. So I just need to be in the system of Rackham's Peak to get the distances to the HIP stars, that's one distance from a known location entered, then do that 3 more times and that will give us triangulated dstances to all the unreachable HIP's.
As to the second point, knowing where they are and actually being able to get to them are two different things, so I don't think triangulating and visitng are mutually exclusive, and I would only want to do it for unreachable stars to see if there was a way to get there. After all, if we don't visit them how do we know Raxxla isn't there?
If you try to search for a system that's not there on the front page it suggests targeting it in the galmap to add it.
When you target something you can jump to it creates an FSDTarget journal - not sure if that works for something you can't jump to - which EDSM accepts so that could be the way now.
Ok that didn't work, you can only enter distances for systems already in EDSM.
I don't get that!
I wouldn't worry about it, I just tried it in game and it didn't work anyway...
And yet we recently had an unvisited system with 4 distances recorded. Hmm, maybe someone did actually get there, sent the data to EDSM and was killed on the way back so no data got entered into the galmap, but it still doesn't explain why no first reported by name wasn't recorded by EDSM!
Ok, just arrived in HIP 16845 and scanned, now I am sure they are correct, I don't know what happened with your scans, some sort of data glitch?
Here's a list of unreachable stars in sector 1. I suspect Cmdr Pirin didn't have a fleet carrier since many of these stars are easily reachable by one.
I have sorted them into order by increasing distance from sol for those stars above the plane, and in reverse for those below the plane.
So it looks like an outward journey across the top of the galaxy and a return across the bottom.
As always, nothing is guaranteed with this route. Note that some edsm stars eg HD 147179, are the closest star to a number of HIP stars.
There are 2 stars in sector 1 which are much further away than these, around 8 and 13k ly from sol, but to keep things tidy I didn't include them.
ED Name | HIP number | x | y | z | Nearest EDSM star | x | y | z | Separation LY | Sol Distance |
HIP 71606 | HIP 71606 | -47 | 1961 | 1226 | Ushott HJ-G d11-0 | 73 | 1959 | 1179 | 128.5 | 2,313.18 |
HD 128527 | HIP 71476 | -123 | 2106 | 1214 | Ushornt YP-E d12-0 | -188 | 1959 | 1312 | 187.9 | 2,433.96 |
HD 125659 | HIP 70087 | -97 | 2218 | 1041 | Ushornt QD-I d10-0 | -221 | 1956 | 1097 | 295.3 | 2,452.06 |
HD 135824 | HIP 74796 | -60 | 1825 | 1806 | Braufooe BW-V d2-0 | 24 | 1791 | 1763 | 100.4 | 2,568.24 |
HD 129583 | HIP 71962 | -148 | 2309 | 1426 | HD 133461 | -439 | 2117 | 1349 | 357.6 | 2,717.88 |
HIP 66421 | HIP 66421 | -12 | 2712 | 643 | HD 119392 | -176 | 2607 | 564 | 210 | 2,787.21 |
HIP 66670 | HIP 66670 | -82 | 2912 | 683 | HIP 66336 | -170 | 2833 | 526 | 196.7 | 2,992.15 |
HIP 73281 | HIP 73281 | -220 | 2461 | 1785 | HD 138832 | -464 | 2139 | 2040 | 477.8 | 3,048.14 |
HD 129447 | HIP 71895 | -198 | 2682 | 1613 | HIP 71372 | -396 | 2754 | 1314 | 365.8 | 3,135.94 |
HD 126247 | HIP 70404 | -33 | 2801 | 1475 | HIP 68292 | 107 | 3029 | 1206 | 379.5 | 3,165.80 |
HIP 70464 | HIP 70464 | -104 | 2851 | 1443 | HIP 71372 | -396 | 2754 | 1314 | 333.9 | 3,197.07 |
HIP 74921 | HIP 74921 | -186 | 2319 | 2193 | HD 138832 | -464 | 2139 | 2040 | 364.7 | 3,197.12 |
HIP 78342 | HIP 78342 | -49 | 2049 | 3466 | HD 147179 | -136 | 1715 | 3696 | 414.5 | 4,026.66 |
HD 144547 | HIP 78932 | -153 | 2010 | 3543 | HD 147179 | -136 | 1715 | 3696 | 332.3 | 4,076.32 |
HD 144637 | HIP 78965 | -114 | 1973 | 3566 | HD 147179 | -136 | 1715 | 3696 | 289.4 | 4,077.02 |
HR 6144 | HIP 80840 | -578 | 1965 | 3970 | Ihoph GS-A d14-0 | -499 | 1791 | 4053 | 208.2 | 4,467.24 |
HD 188943 | HIP 98380 | -74 | -2719 | 4707 | Blae Dryeia YQ-M d7-0 | -60 | -2260 | 4703 | 459.5 | 5,436.39 |
HD 191272 | HIP 99408 | -123 | -2248 | 3588 | Cojeou XU-E d12-0 | -132 | -1863 | 3838 | 458.7 | 4,235.84 |
HD 205046 | HIP 106443 | -266 | -2958 | 2640 | HD 202824 | -157 | -2697 | 2662 | 283.4 | 3,973.68 |
HIP 101887 | HIP 101887 | -83 | -2341 | 3039 | HD 201205 | -197 | -2542 | 2690 | 418.7 | 3,837.02 |
HD 202824 | HIP 105289 | -157 | -2698 | 2662 | HD 201205 | -197 | -2542 | 2690 | 163.4 | 3,793.43 |
HD 201205 | HIP 104428 | -197 | -2543 | 2690 | HD 202853 | -222 | -2577 | 2538 | 157.4 | 3,706.99 |
HD 202853 | HIP 105304 | -222 | -2578 | 2538 | HD 203950 | -237 | -2605 | 2450 | 92.8 | 3,624.47 |
HD 203950 | HIP 105851 | -236 | -2605 | 2450 | HD 202853 | -222 | -2577 | 2538 | 93.7 | 3,583.88 |
HD 211722 | HIP 110244 | -226 | -2801 | 1784 | HD 214912 | -324 | -2854 | 1477 | 326.9 | 3,328.56 |
HD 217257 | HIP 113549 | -176 | -2775 | 1250 | HD 217255 | -363 | -2708 | 1152 | 221.7 | 3,048.62 |
HD 205448 | HIP 106675 | -71 | -2243 | 1980 | HD 203755 | -6 | -2054 | 1955 | 201.1 | 2,992.74 |
HD 223517 | HIP 117538 | -1 | -2290 | 589 | Prooe Dryeia FC-U d3-0 | 20 | -2100 | 545 | 195.9 | 2,364.53 |
Ok good, I will work on that when I get a chance.