Glorious HIPs - 3306

[Iron Body]

Ok good, I will work on that when I get a chance.

Edit : Forget the previous version of this post, HIP 68292 is in edsm (courtesy of endlessfalls). Not sure why I thought it didn't .

Edit 2: If you cut and paste from the above table directly into edsm, it doesn't work. Weird characters are included.
And the original spreadsheet was created in LIbreOffice, no excel anywhere.

 

[Iron Body]

So I got to within 430ly of HIP 95437, but then can't set the FC destination for the final jump. Asteroid belt in the way, I suppose.
Plus, there is no way to get within conda jump range. Boooo.

Which led me to think... If you neutron boost your FSD, then immediately dock on your carrier, can you take the neutron boost with you ?
Also, am I right in thinking you can't triple your jump range with a neutron boost and use premier jumponium at the same time ?
That way my conda could jump 80*3*2 = 480ly, which would just be enough.

Edit:
So just logged out, then logged back in, was going to look for a close-by neutron star.
But it will now allow me set the FC jump to HIP 95437. Strange.

 

[Orvidius]

Which led me to think... If you neutron boost your FSD, then immediately dock on your carrier, can you take the neutron boost with you ?
Also, am I right in thinking you can't triple your jump range with a neutron boost and use premier jumponium at the same time ?

Right, you can't stack jumponium with a neutron boost.

Now, the FC trick. That might be worth an experiment. I don't know what will happen there. My guess is that the neutron boost will get lost, but we won't know for sure without a test.

 

[varonica]

Edit:
So just logged out, then logged back in, was going to look for a close-by neutron star.
But it will now allow me set the FC jump to HIP 95437. Strange.

I have noticed, if you try and set a jump point to a star early, within the 5 minute cooldown, you will of course not be able to jump, but subsequently even after the cooldown you will still get a refusal to jump to that particular star until you relog, so that is maybe your issue there. The game doesn't clear the FC jump lock placed on that system even after the cooldown, which I suspect is a bug and should really be reported, but I will have to double check it to make sure I am not imagining things.

 

[Iron Body]

I have noticed, if you try and set a jump point to a star early, within the 5 minute cooldown, you will of course not be able to jump, but subsequently even after the cooldown you will still get a refusal to jump to that particular star until you relog, so that is maybe your issue there. The game doesn't clear the FC jump lock placed on that system even after the cooldown, which I suspect is a bug and should really be reported, but I will have to double check it to make sure I am not imagining things.

Yes, I think that's probably what happened, I was in a rush. When I eventually got to HIP 95437 there was nothing there, apart from the star itself.

 

[Iron Body]

Well, here is another jump I had to take a 2000ly detour for ....

HD 220804 to HD 220815 distance :

Spoiler

500.13 ly

 

[Mooing]

My alt's carrier is back in the bubble so I'll be back to my slice very soon.

 

[Iron Body]

My alt's carrier is back in the bubble so I'll be back to my slice very soon.

I noticed that you edited the main spreadsheet earlier today.
Unfortunately that was after I overwrote your changes. Hopefully it was just the two stars HIP 90756 and HIP 105632 which I think you marked as "not found".
These two stars have been added to my "Not found" list and will be included as normal in next weeks' update, so those changes are safe.

If you made any other changes, please let me know what they were, or just do them again. ( I prefer you to post lists of not found stars separately anyway)

This happened because I took a copy of the spreadsheet a couple of days ago and then forgot to check the version history before I updated it. Sorry.

 

[Iron Body]

This week's progress report, covering the last 2 weeks. Very impressive stats for slices 46 to 53.

slice​

Commander​

Status​

complete%​

δ complete%​

matched​

δ match​

not_found​

δ not found​

unreachable​

δ unreachable​

other​

δ others​

1​

Pirin​

Mostly complete​

99.8​

0.00​

312​

0​

126​

0​

61​

0​

1​

0​

2​

Mooing​

In progress​

66.4​

0.20​

329​

1​

3​

0​

​

0​

168​

-1​

3​

Varonica​

Complete​

100​

0.00​

358​

0​

107​

0​

35​

0​

​

0​

4​

Rampant​

In progress​

20.6​

0.40​

102​

2​

1​

0​

​

0​

397​

-2​

5​

jjgoldberg​

In progress​

91.8​

0.00​

367​

0​

68​

0​

24​

0​

41​

0​

6​

jjgoldberg​

In progress​

95.2​

0.00​

374​

0​

64​

0​

38​

0​

24​

0​

7​

Orvidius​

Mostly complete​

99.6​

0.00​

392​

-1​

69​

0​

37​

1​

2​

0​

8​

Orvidius​

Complete​

100​

0.00​

408​

0​

68​

0​

24​

0​

​

0​

9​

Jackie Silver​

In progress​

44.8​

0.40​

185​

2​

39​

0​

​

0​

276​

-2​

10​

13A / 24B​

In progress​

26.4​

0.40​

127​

2​

5​

0​

​

0​

368​

-2​

11​

Jackie Silver​

Pending​

19.2​

0.60​

95​

3​

1​

0​

​

0​

404​

-3​

12​

Varonica​

Mostly complete​

93.8​

0.00​

419​

0​

50​

0​

​

0​

31​

0​

13​

Expugnax​

Mostly complete​

97.6​

0.00​

396​

0​

66​

0​

26​

0​

12​

0​

14​

Expugnax​

Mostly complete​

98.6​

0.00​

426​

0​

42​

0​

25​

0​

7​

0​

15​

Heavy Johnson​

In progress​

22.4​

0.40​

111​

2​

1​

0​

​

0​

388​

-2​

16​

Gaesat​

In progress​

24​

0.40​

116​

2​

4​

0​

​

0​

380​

-2​

17​

Jackie Silver​

Partially complete.​

49​

0.40​

226​

2​

19​

0​

​

0​

255​

-2​

18​

Spaceman Si​

In progress​

32.4​

1.20​

156​

6​

6​

0​

​

0​

338​

-6​

19​

rOmiLaYu​

Mostly complete​

52.8​

0.00​

221​

0​

43​

0​

​

0​

236​

0​

20​

rOmiLaYu​

Partially complete.​

31.8​

0.60​

121​

3​

36​

0​

2​

0​

341​

-3​

21​

SingleMalt Falcon​

In progress​

42.2​

0.20​

203​

1​

8​

0​

​

0​

289​

-1​

22​

Mercury 13​

Provisional​

26.6​

0.20​

130​

1​

2​

0​

1​

0​

367​

-1​

23​

Irisa Nyira​

Mostly complete.​

99.8​

0.40​

320​

0​

130​

0​

49​

2​

1​

-2​

24​

Factabulous​

In progress​

71.2​

0.00​

226​

0​

130​

0​

​

0​

144​

0​

25​

Maelstrom5K​

In progress​

68.8​

0.60​

181​

2​

153​

0​

10​

1​

156​

-3​

26​

Maelstrom5K​

In progress​

48.6​

0.80​

145​

4​

94​

0​

4​

0​

257​

-4​

27​

Bren64zzz​

In progress​

55.4​

1.20​

140​

6​

106​

0​

31​

0​

223​

-6​

28​

​

​

19​

0.20​

91​

1​

4​

0​

​

0​

405​

-1​

29​

Rollo​

In progress​

26.2​

1.40​

131​

7​

​

0​

​

0​

369​

-7​

30​

​

​

19.4​

0.20​

97​

1​

​

0​

​

0​

403​

-1​

31​

​

​

29​

0.80​

142​

4​

3​

0​

​

0​

355​

-4​

32​

Getedoi​

Mostly complete​

93.6​

0.00​

339​

0​

80​

0​

49​

0​

32​

0​

33​

Getedoi​

Mostly complete​

99.6​

6.60​

398​

0​

67​

0​

33​

33​

2​

-33​

34​

​

​

32.8​

0.40​

164​

2​

​

0​

​

0​

336​

-2​

35​

Preludeonlife​

In progress​

32.2​

0.40​

161​

2​

​

0​

​

0​

339​

-2​

36​

​

​

42.8​

0.80​

213​

4​

1​

0​

​

0​

286​

-4​

37​

Farran​

Pending​

44.8​

0.80​

223​

4​

1​

0​

​

0​

276​

-4​

38​

MattG​

Mostly complete (*)​

99.8​

0.00​

429​

1​

44​

0​

26​

-1​

1​

0​

39​

Irisa Nyira​

In progress​

86.4​

21.40​

357​

108​

52​

0​

23​

-1​

68​

-107​

40​

yellowcavefrog​

In progress​

77.2​

0.20​

344​

1​

42​

0​

​

0​

114​

-1​

41​

Expugnax​

Mostly complete.​

99​

0.00​

401​

0​

71​

0​

23​

0​

5​

0​

42​

Varonica​

Partially complete.​

95.8​

0.00​

403​

0​

75​

0​

1​

0​

21​

0​

43​

Getedoi​

Mostly complete.​

99.4​

0.00​

398​

0​

67​

0​

32​

0​

3​

0​

44​

Maolagin​

In progress​

52.8​

0.40​

234​

2​

25​

0​

5​

0​

236​

-2​

45​

​

​

22.2​

1.20​

108​

6​

3​

0​

​

0​

389​

-6​

46​

Varonica​

Mostly complete.​

99.8​

38.20​

398​

94​

87​

83​

14​

14​

1​

-191​

47​

Jackie Silver​

Mostly complete.​

99.8​

3.60​

403​

0​

68​

0​

28​

18​

1​

-18​

48​

Jackie Silver​

Mostly complete.​

99​

8.00​

407​

8​

56​

0​

32​

32​

5​

-40​

49​

Jackie Silver​

Mostly complete.​

98.8​

8.40​

403​

15​

63​

0​

28​

27​

6​

-42​

50​

Jackie Silver​

Mostly complete.​

99.2​

9.40​

388​

11​

73​

1​

35​

35​

4​

-47​

51​

Jackie Silver / BaldEagle ​

Mostly complete.​

99​

20.40​

403​

58​

63​

15​

29​

29​

5​

-102​

52​

Expugnax​

Mostly complete.​

96.2​

3.80​

390​

1​

73​

0​

18​

18​

19​

-19​

53​

Expugnax​

Mostly complete.​

97.2​

4.40​

385​

4​

83​

0​

18​

18​

14​

-22​

54​

Taketa​

In progress​

46.8​

0.40​

231​

2​

3​

0​

​

0​

266​

-2​

55​

Tuomasi​

Mostly complete.​

99.52​

0.00​

152​

1​

43​

0​

16​

-1​

1​

0​

 

[Mooing]

I noticed that you edited the main spreadsheet earlier today.
Unfortunately that was after I overwrote your changes. Hopefully it was just the two stars HIP 90756 and HIP 105632 which I think you marked as "not found".
These two stars have been added to my "Not found" list and will be included as normal in next weeks' update, so those changes are safe.

If you made any other changes, please let me know what they were, or just do them again. ( I prefer you to post lists of not found stars separately anyway)

This happened because I took a copy of the spreadsheet a couple of days ago and then forgot to check the version history before I updated it. Sorry.

Ah, ok, I wasn't sure how to get "not found" stars on the spreadsheet so I'll just leave the list here (or my Google sheet if that's easier):

Spoiler

HIP 90756
HIP 105632
HIP 109723
HIP 86271
HIP 104988
HIP 66595
HIP 90085
HIP 74997
HIP 100299
HIP 83582
HIP 109662
HIP 91254
HIP 88768
HIP 83805
HIP 85336
HIP 114896
HIP 84451
HIP 95472
HIP 92389
HIP 99304
HIP 77781
HIP 88796
HIP 108242
HIP 87873
HIP 850
HIP 88167
HIP 105601
HIP 75926
HIP 89687
HIP 96930
HIP 88297
HIP 88341
HIP 65748
HIP 87266
HIP 101656
HIP 96909
HIP 89440
HIP 91446
HIP 87625
HIP 109100
HIP 94928
HIP 76151
HIP 74474
HIP 74427
HIP 82406
HIP 76270
HIP 101455
HIP 68549
HIP 91550
HIP 90508
HIP 91487
HIP 93040
HIP 93039
HIP 117051
HIP 71531
HIP 85151
HIP 103350
HIP 89483
HIP 94673
HIP 104820
HIP 106695
HIP 99553
HIP 102690
HIP 74556
HIP 88317
HIP 77389
HIP 106549
HIP 90110
HIP 85720
HIP 97850
HIP 89111
HIP 78925
HIP 96082
HIP 88197
HIP 92242
HIP 92013
HIP 114176
HIP 90577
HIP 110384
HIP 96553
HIP 109326
HIP 89842
HIP 92721
HIP 90799
HIP 88160
HIP 102339
HIP 93837
HIP 92491
HIP 88928
HIP 90432
HIP 78995
HIP 92650
HIP 89804
HIP 116896
HIP 103060
HIP 96101
HIP 92776
HIP 82945
HIP 77798
HIP 71762*
HIP 105026
HIP 113283*
HIP 99884
HIP 81192
HIP 74491
HIP 89013
HIP 74090
HIP 90032
*system directs to empty space

And here are some stars I think are unreachable (cords estimated from GalMap):

Spoiler

HIP #	In-game Name	X-cord	Y-cord	Z-cord	Notes
113130	HD 216593	-430.75	-5454	2590.5
100814	HD 194365	-1617.5	-6509	9524.5
75864	HD 138103	-906.75	5539	5366.75
105175	HIP 105175	-818.75	-4791	4748.75
107676	HD 207291	-545	-3903	3107.5
106928	HD 205906	-648.25	-4252	3623.25
105330	HD 202931	-895.25	-5028	4919.5
115231	HD 279973				Outside the galaxy
79443	HD 145774	-1046.75	3630	5480.5
105249	HD 202759	-738	-3773	3716.5
102256	HD 197189	-1152.5	-4287	5529.25
101276	HIP 101276	-931.5	-3038	4300.75
102107	HD 196949	-689	-2379	3113
110233	HD 211741	-4743.5	-3353	2087.25
101685	HD 196167	-962.5	-3008	4103
75779	HIP 75779	-954.75	4535	4048.25
94333	HD 179087	-4446.75	-5122	17947.25
79708	HIP 79708	-1304.5	3628	5261.75
98518	HD 189400	-3520.25	-7050	13384.25
78529	HD 143709	-1115.5	3490	4265.75
80001	HD 147116	-1322	3320	4869.5
115176	HD 219910				Outside the galaxy
103221	HD 198953	-1147.25	-3366	3993.75
76951	HIP 76951	-1412.5	5084	4968.75
107047	HD 206130				Outside the galaxy
117728	HIP 117728				Outside the galaxy

 

[Iron Body]

Ah, ok, I wasn't sure how to get "not found" stars on the spreadsheet so I'll just leave the list here (or my Google sheet if that's easier):

Posting them here is fine, thanks.

 

[varonica]

Refueling my FC now ready to head out for a few days exploring before the big kahuna washes over us! I will start hitting that list from slice 1, will get a few and probably still do some during Alpha and Beta, they are doing updates right through so there will be times when it won' t be available.

Ok that interesting, previously when I tried to copy that table it came across with funny characters, this time it copied across fine, no funny characters at all!

Ah ok, that's because I copied it directly into google docs, it still looks strange in Libre Office.

 

[Iron Body]

Starting to look like I shall be using the Spansh data dumps from now on.

Spansh merge starting ...
1926439 monthly update records read
60831728 master records read
62652807 records written

EDDB/EDSM merge starting ...
45230560 EDDB records read
60976740 EDSM records read
61558564 records written

The EDSM/EDDB data was collected 4 days ago, the Spansh update data was taken today.
Which accounts for some of the differences, and is why comparisons should really be checked at the same time.

The Spansh data also contains information about the number of bodies in a system,
if that number is zero, then I assume it hasn't been visited, and is probably unreachable.
Also there are no problems with duplicated names caused by not preserving the case of star names.

 

[Mooing]

There wasn't much, so I've finished up the carrier systems in slice 2. I could take another slice or continue visiting other carrier systems in other slices.

 

[varonica]

It seems it will be at least another day before I can head off, I made a rookie mistake, doesn't that annoy you? When trading mats for my double engineered FSD I actually made a mistake and traded some of my Jumponium mats and now only have 1 available for each level, so I will need to restock those. First thing to visit the mat trader to see if I can trade back from that mistake, if not a visit to the crystal spike region to gather more mats!

 

[Iron Body]

There wasn't much, so I've finished up the carrier systems in slice 2. I could take another slice or continue visiting other carrier systems in other slices.

Slice 36 is free.

I am currently working on a better system for finding fleet carrier stars.
When I returned from an FC hunt in slices 47..53, and reran the FC search program, it found quite a few new reachable FC systems in those slices.
This was because the current FC program doesn't take into account the fact that newly found FC systems can act as a stepping stone to ones even further out.

I have developed a way of taking this into account, but it's not ready yet.

 

[Iron Body]

Ok good, I will work on that when I get a chance.

The FC route table for slice 1 missed a couple of stars which should be reachable after visiting stars already on the route.. :

HIP 78342 is close to HD 144547 distance = 135.2
HD 133314 is close to HIP 74921 distance = 278.3

I tried to redo the table, but it got too difficult. So decided it was easier just to list them separately.
I also discovered that quite a few of the unreachable stars are mutually closer together than the table might suggest.
I found it best to apply markers to all the target stars in a region, but I guess you do this anyway.

 

[varonica]

The FC route table for slice 1 missed a couple of stars which should be reachable after visiting stars already on the route.. :

HIP 78342 is close to HD 144547 distance = 135.2
HD 133314 is close to HIP 74921 distance = 278.3

I tried to redo the table, but it got too difficult. So decided it was easier just to list them separately.
I also discovered that quite a few of the unreachable stars are mutually closer together than the table might suggest.
I found it best to apply markers to all the target stars in a region, but I guess you do this anyway.

Thanks, will add them, still hunting mats at the moment.......maybe I won't need the Jumponium but you never know, best to be sure.

 

[Farran]

Been diving back in a bit lately, sorry for the hiatus(es). Finally back in my element: the weird jump labyrinths of the high elevations off the galactic ecliptic. Lots of discoveries to be had; the last HIP I visited today was completely unvisited and took a few augmented jumps to reach. It is slow going, especially with how many interesting and untouched systems there are up there, but I am homing in on one I thought initially might be unreachable and I am well-stocked on FSD injection materials, so all is well.

I noticed that my data has not been uploading correctly to EDSM since I upgraded my hard drive, so I fixed that and manually uploaded all my logs. Took a good, long time. Hopefully that fills in some of the data missing for my slice.

There are a few stars in my current list of bookmarks which are definitely not reachable in a ship but might be reachable in a carrier. I will try to gather more data later. If anybody brings a fleet carrier out to Slice 37 to hit some of them up once that data is available, I would not mind helping to collect some tritium for the voyage (or trying, since mining is not my forte).

 

[varonica]

Here's a list of unreachable stars in sector 1. I suspect Cmdr Pirin didn't have a fleet carrier since many of these stars are easily reachable by one.
I have sorted them into order by increasing distance from sol for those stars above the plane, and in reverse for those below the plane.
So it looks like an outward journey across the top of the galaxy and a return across the bottom.

As always, nothing is guaranteed with this route. Note that some edsm stars eg HD 147179, are the closest star to a number of HIP stars.

There are 2 stars in sector 1 which are much further away than these, around 8 and 13k ly from sol, but to keep things tidy I didn't include them.

ED Name​	HIP number​	x​	y​	z​	Nearest EDSM star​	x​	y​	z​	Separation LY​	Sol Distance​
HIP 71606​	HIP 71606​	-47​	1961​	1226​	Ushott HJ-G d11-0​	73​	1959​	1179​	128.5​	2,313.18​
HD 128527​	HIP 71476​	-123​	2106​	1214​	Ushornt YP-E d12-0​	-188​	1959​	1312​	187.9​	2,433.96​
HD 125659​	HIP 70087​	-97​	2218​	1041​	Ushornt QD-I d10-0​	-221​	1956​	1097​	295.3​	2,452.06​
HD 135824​	HIP 74796​	-60​	1825​	1806​	Braufooe BW-V d2-0​	24​	1791​	1763​	100.4​	2,568.24​
HD 129583​	HIP 71962​	-148​	2309​	1426​	HD 133461​	-439​	2117​	1349​	357.6​	2,717.88​
HIP 66421​	HIP 66421​	-12​	2712​	643​	HD 119392​	-176​	2607​	564​	210​	2,787.21​
HIP 66670​	HIP 66670​	-82​	2912​	683​	HIP 66336​	-170​	2833​	526​	196.7​	2,992.15​
HIP 73281​	HIP 73281​	-220​	2461​	1785​	HD 138832​	-464​	2139​	2040​	477.8​	3,048.14​
HD 129447​	HIP 71895​	-198​	2682​	1613​	HIP 71372​	-396​	2754​	1314​	365.8​	3,135.94​
HD 126247​	HIP 70404​	-33​	2801​	1475​	HIP 68292​	107​	3029​	1206​	379.5​	3,165.80​
HIP 70464​	HIP 70464​	-104​	2851​	1443​	HIP 71372​	-396​	2754​	1314​	333.9​	3,197.07​
HIP 74921​	HIP 74921​	-186​	2319​	2193​	HD 138832​	-464​	2139​	2040​	364.7​	3,197.12​
HIP 78342​	HIP 78342​	-49​	2049​	3466​	HD 147179​	-136​	1715​	3696​	414.5​	4,026.66​
HD 144547​	HIP 78932​	-153​	2010​	3543​	HD 147179​	-136​	1715​	3696​	332.3​	4,076.32​
HD 144637​	HIP 78965​	-114​	1973​	3566​	HD 147179​	-136​	1715​	3696​	289.4​	4,077.02​
HR 6144​	HIP 80840​	-578​	1965​	3970​	Ihoph GS-A d14-0​	-499​	1791​	4053​	208.2​	4,467.24​
HD 188943​	HIP 98380​	-74​	-2719​	4707​	Blae Dryeia YQ-M d7-0​	-60​	-2260​	4703​	459.5​	5,436.39​
HD 191272​	HIP 99408​	-123​	-2248​	3588​	Cojeou XU-E d12-0​	-132​	-1863​	3838​	458.7​	4,235.84​
HD 205046​	HIP 106443​	-266​	-2958​	2640​	HD 202824​	-157​	-2697​	2662​	283.4​	3,973.68​
HIP 101887​	HIP 101887​	-83​	-2341​	3039​	HD 201205​	-197​	-2542​	2690​	418.7​	3,837.02​
HD 202824​	HIP 105289​	-157​	-2698​	2662​	HD 201205​	-197​	-2542​	2690​	163.4​	3,793.43​
HD 201205​	HIP 104428​	-197​	-2543​	2690​	HD 202853​	-222​	-2577​	2538​	157.4​	3,706.99​
HD 202853​	HIP 105304​	-222​	-2578​	2538​	HD 203950​	-237​	-2605​	2450​	92.8​	3,624.47​
HD 203950​	HIP 105851​	-236​	-2605​	2450​	HD 202853​	-222​	-2577​	2538​	93.7​	3,583.88​
HD 211722​	HIP 110244​	-226​	-2801​	1784​	HD 214912​	-324​	-2854​	1477​	326.9​	3,328.56​
HD 217257​	HIP 113549​	-176​	-2775​	1250​	HD 217255​	-363​	-2708​	1152​	221.7​	3,048.62​
HD 205448​	HIP 106675​	-71​	-2243​	1980​	HD 203755​	-6​	-2054​	1955​	201.1​	2,992.74​
HD 223517​	HIP 117538​	-1​	-2290​	589​	Prooe Dryeia FC-U d3-0​	20​	-2100​	545​	195.9​	2,364.53​

Ahaha, HD 119392, the closest star to HIP 66421, was suddenly familiar, I find I have been there already, one of the bodies has my tag on it and I have the system information! On checking my records I see HD 119392 is in slice 3, and I was wondering about that earlier actually, that some stars unreachable for one slice may actually be reachable from a neighbouring slice, but it's so hard to find individual stars when they are that far apart it's very hard to spot them even when they are there!