Gradually Losing Respect for Frontier Development - Here is Why

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I stay with it if your PC is not working properly it is not FD´s fault and not their business to fix it.
But of course its easy to open a Ticket and blame others.

For the "lottery winners" as this seems to be the major point everyone is arguing about they will just get bored really fast they buy all the ships all the equip and then?? Maybe they troll someone..maybe not.
I bet all of those people that are not ok with the deal FD made would write nothing if they were the ones getting 5 billion CR.
If someone gets 1000quadtrizilionbillion CR i could not care less he can´t ruin my game with it and as FD stated already those who use exploits knowing them will get what they deserve.
 
can some one show me the post that says it was only 50 ppl thank you

from an official Dev

I believe Andrew Barlow posted earlier that is was under 50 people... and as he seems to be part of the FD Staff, I guess we can take him at his work eh?

Also Micheal Brooks did also post earlier stating that the players who got the 5bn cr did not cheat or do anything wrong and so it was up to them to decide if they wanted to reroll their accounts or keep the credits... He also stated IN THE SAME ARTICLE that those who took advantage of the exploit in the founders world would be dealt with as cheaters although they would not be banned from the game I would think their accounts will get a rollback...

As for the OP

I agree that FD have not done a brilliant job of support over the holidays... ceste la vie. Now they are back at work (its Wednesday evening here in Australia so is that Wednesday morning there in the UK?) and coming into the 3rd day back I would hope that they begin to get on top of ANY tickets where players have not been able to get into the game, I have seen posts earlier regarding an autofix being done for some people who can launch but not play due to one of the bugs so at least that is moving in the right direction for them.

Payment issues... Those should be dealt with at the highest priority of course as that is one of the things people will remember most if they feel they have been ripped off financially...
As for your friends PC issues, this could well be the result of some unforseeable conflict in the software and hardware he uses and the launcher... or it might be a bug in the launcher sure... I think the fact that there are so many of us who have not had issues with the launcher lends it to be more believable the problem is with your friends PC or some software / hardware conflict...

I will assume your friends PC does meet the minimum spec for playing the game and that ANY antivirus has been turned off etc etc as per the reccomendations in the support website... That can be so frustrating and I hope the problem gets resolved quickly for your friend.
 
FD probably thought that they were being magnanimous in allowing the billionares to keep their fortunes. This to me indicates not that FD are foolish, not that they are negligent, not that they are wilfully blazé, but simply that they're inexperienced in the esoteric ways of the MMO. These billionares won't harm the game _now_ but such vast amounts of individual wealth now have to be factored into every design decision that's made from this point forward: "Can these billionares break this new game mechanic that I've just thought of?" The aftershocks from billionare-gate will be felt for months, if not years to come.

Billionare-gate in and of itself is not a reason to lose faith in FD; neither are the other questionable actions of late. FD are new to this and they are going to make more mistakes; many more. The true measure of FD will be in how these mistakes are resolved. Billionare-gate has probably been a highly valuable learning experience. (At least, one hopes that learning has taken place.)
 
I believe Andrew Barlow posted earlier that is was under 50 people... and as he seems to be part of the FD Staff, I guess we can take him at his work eh?

Also Micheal Brooks did also post earlier stating that the players who got the 5bn cr did not cheat or do anything wrong and so it was up to them to decide if they wanted to reroll their accounts or keep the credits... He also stated IN THE SAME ARTICLE that those who took advantage of the exploit in the founders world would be dealt with as cheaters although they would not be banned from the game I would think their accounts will get a rollback...

As for the OP

I agree that FD have not done a brilliant job of support over the holidays... ceste la vie. Now they are back at work (its Wednesday evening here in Australia so is that Wednesday morning there in the UK?) and coming into the 3rd day back I would hope that they begin to get on top of ANY tickets where players have not been able to get into the game, I have seen posts earlier regarding an autofix being done for some people who can launch but not play due to one of the bugs so at least that is moving in the right direction for them.

Payment issues... Those should be dealt with at the highest priority of course as that is one of the things people will remember most if they feel they have been ripped off financially...
As for your friends PC issues, this could well be the result of some unforseeable conflict in the software and hardware he uses and the launcher... or it might be a bug in the launcher sure... I think the fact that there are so many of us who have not had issues with the launcher lends it to be more believable the problem is with your friends PC or some software / hardware conflict...

I will assume your friends PC does meet the minimum spec for playing the game and that ANY antivirus has been turned off etc etc as per the reccomendations in the support website... That can be so frustrating and I hope the problem gets resolved quickly for your friend.

theres a big difference between rerolling ones account and simply having the funds minused
 

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I believe Andrew Barlow posted earlier that is was under 50 people... and as he seems to be part of the FD Staff, I guess we can take him at his work eh?

Also Micheal Brooks did also post earlier stating that the players who got the 5bn cr did not cheat or do anything wrong and so it was up to them to decide if they wanted to reroll their accounts or keep the credits... He also stated IN THE SAME ARTICLE that those who took advantage of the exploit in the founders world would be dealt with as cheaters although they would not be banned from the game I would think their accounts will get a rollback...

As for the OP

I agree that FD have not done a brilliant job of support over the holidays... ceste la vie. Now they are back at work (its Wednesday evening here in Australia so is that Wednesday morning there in the UK?) and coming into the 3rd day back I would hope that they begin to get on top of ANY tickets where players have not been able to get into the game, I have seen posts earlier regarding an autofix being done for some people who can launch but not play due to one of the bugs so at least that is moving in the right direction for them.

Payment issues... Those should be dealt with at the highest priority of course as that is one of the things people will remember most if they feel they have been ripped off financially...
As for your friends PC issues, this could well be the result of some unforseeable conflict in the software and hardware he uses and the launcher... or it might be a bug in the launcher sure... I think the fact that there are so many of us who have not had issues with the launcher lends it to be more believable the problem is with your friends PC or some software / hardware conflict...

I will assume your friends PC does meet the minimum spec for playing the game and that ANY antivirus has been turned off etc etc as per the reccomendations in the support website... That can be so frustrating and I hope the problem gets resolved quickly for your friend.

like plz because i have looked at most if not all them post and saw no where it was 50 or under 50

and yes my friend has same specs as me and im able to play and yes he has done everything short of formatting his pc
 
A quick question on the 5b credit.

What if my bank was to drop 5b Euro in my account by mistake. Can I also keep cash or would i be expected to give the cash back because I knew it wasn't mine?

just a thought ;)
 
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FD probably thought that they were being magnanimous in allowing the billionares to keep their fortunes. This to me indicates not that FD are foolish, not that they are negligent, not that they are wilfully blazé, but simply that they're inexperienced in the esoteric ways of the MMO. These billionares won't harm the game _now_ but such vast amounts of individual wealth now have to be factored into every design decision that's made from this point forward: "Can these billionares break this new game mechanic that I've just thought of?" The aftershocks from billionare-gate will be felt for months, if not years to come.

Billionare-gate in and of itself is not a reason to lose faith in FD; neither are the other questionable actions of late. FD are new to this and they are going to make more mistakes; many more. The true measure of FD will be in how these mistakes are resolved. Billionare-gate has probably been a highly valuable learning experience. (At least, one hopes that learning has taken place.)

Fair enough and I pretty much agree, especially with the first paragraph.
 
Other people being granted 5 billion credits is only an issue if you happen to view the game as competitive. I and many others do not so it makes not a jot of difference to me that they have this money, either earned or gifted.
 
theres a big difference between rerolling ones account and simply having the funds minused

It probably also needs to be said that an error on Frontier's end shouldn't result in players having to choose whether or not they should delete a character.
 
#EDisNOTrealworld

#IKnow :D

It was just an analogy that fits, the people by accident where given something with wasn't theirs by mistake, so it should be returned. You can bet that if FDev took something of these players they would be complaining about how they want there good/money back. So it should work both ways. By all means give the Cmdrs a token gesture 1m credit (not game changing) or skin etc.
 
Inexperience of what a multiplayer community is all about and the responsibilities that go with it? That's all I can put it down to. And its backed up by the fact that they released the game to the masses a week before the main public holiday, left it woefully understaffed with game support that was probably working from home (the Frontier offices were closed from Dec 24th to Jan 5th according to that support). So yeah, all this leads me to believe Frontier Developments are a little inexperienced when it comes to dealing with this type of online only - online always, game and the type of gaming community that has bought into it.

A lot of players have come from other MMOs where this kind of thing rarely (if at all) happens. I still remember the T2 mining laser incident in the early days of Eve and how the community went in uproar over one guy getting a rare BPO off a dev. CCP learned lessons that day.

In an online community that shares the same gameworld - however loosely we interact with each other - developers should always err on the side of fairness even if they (and many players) think its no big deal. Lessons have to be learned. Every developer scores a few own goals now and then, FD have bagged a hattrick of them in their games' first month of release. Lets hope there are no more to follow.

Inexperience alone in this case is not such a good excuse. It's not like ED is the first always-online game ever. There are numerous examples of such games which had many problems during the last 10 years. Mistakes and problems they could have learned from. Hell, they could have hired people with experience. ED, and its a shame really, I love the game, is starting to look alot like MWO. Same thing is starting to happen here. FD keeps making this stupid mistakes and the community loses, rightfully, its hope in FD. What happened with Piranha? No one trusts them anymore.
 
The customer service issue with your friend isn't cool. But the other two issues are really moot: they fixed the server problems within a reasonable time (a few hours), even though it was at night, during the holidays. You can't ask for much more than that, from any company. And there will always be bugs and exploits, what matters is that FD are dealing with it. From what I've seen, they are indeed dealing with it, unless you believe unfounded rumors that players will get to keep their wrongfully aquired money, which they won't as far as i can tell from official posts.
 
I believe one of the devs. stated that it would make it much less likely for that person to ever appear in your instance though. They didn't explicitly say never though. But if it was just two of you in a location I guess you wouldn't see them.
 
The customer service issue with your friend isn't cool. But the other two issues are really moot: they fixed the server problems within a reasonable time (a few hours), even though it was at night, during the holidays. You can't ask for much more than that, from any company. And there will always be bugs and exploits, what matters is that FD are dealing with it. From what I've seen, they are indeed dealing with it, unless you believe unfounded rumors that players will get to keep their wrongfully aquired money, which they won't as far as i can tell from official posts.

Well, that post actually does state that they have a choice of keeping the credits.

I believe one of the devs. stated that it would make it much less likely for that person to ever appear in your instance though. They didn't explicitly say never though. But if it was just two of you in a location I guess you wouldn't see them.

Don't take this statement too seriously, but that would be similar to releasing a murderer and saying "You probably won't see him in your town and he probably will go into hiding and never bother anyone".
 
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The customer service issue with your friend isn't cool. But the other two issues are really moot: they fixed the server problems within a reasonable time (a few hours), even though it was at night, during the holidays. You can't ask for much more than that, from any company. And there will always be bugs and exploits, what matters is that FD are dealing with it. From what I've seen, they are indeed dealing with it, unless you believe unfounded rumors that players will get to keep their wrongfully aquired money, which they won't as far as i can tell from official posts.
Are you joking, holidays, how much money do you think these people make?
 
  • Holiday vacation (I'm fine with it): I defended this on a dozen occasions. Programmers work about 60-80 hours a week. The game just released. They have every right to take the holidays off. Everyone does. That said, the game is online and does need to continue to run and technical support should be available for the most serious issues such as players who purchased accounts not being able to access the game. Technical support is not composed of programmers. Let them off for Christmas Eve and Christmas and New Years. They should be, but they should be available and on the ball with their duties otherwise.



  • Recently, a friend purchased the game and there was an error when his card was charged (on the Elite website end). The charge was indeed charged. He could not access his account and login to the game. The charge was reflected on the bank statement. No response from Frontier for a week. Now the charge has been refunded. It's one thing to put 98% of issues on the back burner during the holidays, but these kinds of issues are priority #1 when someone has paid you for a product and service (the game and to be able to play it). Next, the money was placed on another card and charged with that card for a second attempt. The account was created successfully, but now he is unable to play, because the launcher will not launch the game (and will only do so in safe mode).
I really don't hope you ever work in software development as a manager. :)
Seriously for a sec, yes ED wasn't finished on release, so yes it needs more dev work even now to squish bugs and bring in promised features. I totally agree that some level of customer support should have covered these times after/before the christmas break in some capacity, again another lesson for FD to learn, but its hardly a scandal. They've probably been working flat out and you know what, i can't blame them for all taking a break. If i'd had a problem with the game over that time i'd just do something else.


  • Exploiters and / or bugs giving away free money to players: I was in IRC when a lot of this started to happen. The server was acting up. People started getting free money by exploiting the system. I watched people talk about how they were able to do it and some admitted to taking advantage of it. At some point (I'm not sure how it occurred and if it was a result of this same occurrence) players were, in error, given 5 billion credits apparently. Frontier's response? Let them keep it. This illogical response from players that it doesn't effect other players isn't even the issue. I personally could care less that someone has 5 billion credits. The problem is that Frontier allowed a player to keep a very significant amount of in-game funds that were created in error. It is unprofessional and it's not something that you do as a game company.
How is this unprofessional ? If the fix required to take money away again took 5 hours of dev time then wouldn't you consider this action logical when you have a stack of game breaking bugs with a stack of angry users screaming for a fix?


Understand a few things: it is not one thing. I have defended Frontier entirely. The negativity on Reddit -- I've defended it there too. Not pressing a single button to check if your insurance is covered and losing an expensive ship is your own fault. But there are lots of legitimate concerns. I have said, don't worry about it, these things will be resolved with time. Now as time has gone by I've seen some pretty unprofessional behavior by Frontier that makes you revisit the concerns you've witnessed that you brushed aside and all of these things compounded, you start to realize that they really do need to start to get it together.

I'm just starting to see a pattern here and I'm feeling less obliged to defend Frontier. I've personally had no issues. This is because of what I have witnessed.

Edit: My suggestion to Frontier is to make a public statement outlining how you intend to correct the legitimate concerns that people are having. Let them know you aren't just leaving them out to dry. Also, you should seriously re-think your position on allowing players to keep items/funds that were received in error.

I agree their communication on some issues hasn't been great, its certainly put a few noses out of joint and caused more hassle than required if they'd said something earlier. Again i think they're on a learning curve as this goes, considering this is their only product worth a look (Zoo tycoon anyone?) and i'll still give them the benefit of the doubt for now as its probably a little more than they can chew on.

As for the free money thing, I agree its not fair, but at the same time its not impacting on my enjoyment of the game. If i chose to play solo then it wouldn't even touch on my gameplay.
 
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