Griefers are killing this game............

[GJ51]

Simple suggestion

When your bounty exceeds your insurance rebuy cost you lose insurance.

When your bounty exceeds the cost of your ship the bounty comes out of your net worth and may result in the loss of stored ships as well.

Problem solved.

You want to be a serial killer? Fine. Pay the price when the man come to get you...

The main point that many are missing is that the current system allows for huge potential accumulated gains with no commensurate accumulation of risk under the current mechanic. While the bounties are rising to astronomical levels, the offender still is risking nothing more than the rebuy cost.

My suggestion is merely to balance the equation. Racking up huge bounties is fine as long as it comes with a huge cost.

 

[Jukelo]

I came to this thread expecting it to be about griefing, instead it's just complaining about regular gameplay.

 

[Wiccan]

I came to this thread expecting it to be about griefing, instead it's just complaining about regular gameplay.

best remark all day!

 

[Tuzmaal]

I came to this thread expecting it to be about griefing, instead it's just complaining about regular gameplay.

Isnt that the case with all "I got Griefed" threads ?

 

[CMDR Canaris]

Why should your 'honest opinion' dictate for everyone else? For the devs? Why does your enjoyment trump others'?

You make a thread to cry, then dismiss any thoughts that don't align with your own, and proceed to tell us about your opinion some more?

Get over yourself.

 

[Roybe]

I have watched with amazement/amusement some of the posts that my original post has provoked.

Let me reiterate (because some folks are missing the point I was trying to make, or are just being purposely obtuse).

I was/am clean with no bounty ............ No profit to be had from killing me.
I had no cargo and was not asked to drop any cargo, I was just attacked. .......................Clearly not Pirates then.

So, if not bounty-hunters and not pirates, what's left? Ahhhhh yes either Gankers or Morons (or that special breed that encompasses both).

Seems logical to me. Hey..I know...Let's just go kill folks for shiggles and to ramp up our own bounty-value so we can farm it within our own little group and all end up with anaconda's."

So, that's my take on it. Feel free to argue that the role and motivation of the guys that wiped me out last night was one that is within the defined legitimate roles of "Trader, Pirate, Explorer, Mercenary/Bounty-Hunter". anything outside of these is not within the intended roles of this game (IMHO).

I keep stating this..so one more time...when NPC's do this, it is legitimate for PC's to do this, regardless of how you personally feel. If a player wants to play the role as a nutter out to kill everyone, or is just taking out their real life stress on other players, it doesn't matter. What matters is if you do not like this type of gameplay you need to play in one of the other parts of the game where it cannot happen. There are two other choices on that start menu. I suggest using one of the other ones.

 

[Cula-Ta]

I have watched with amazement/amusement some of the posts that my original post has provoked.

Let me reiterate (because some folks are missing the point I was trying to make, or are just being purposely obtuse).

I was/am clean with no bounty ............ No profit to be had from killing me.
I had no cargo and was not asked to drop any cargo, I was just attacked. .......................Clearly not Pirates then.

So, if not bounty-hunters and not pirates, what's left? Ahhhhh yes either Gankers or Morons (or that special breed that encompasses both).

Seems logical to me. Hey..I know...Let's just go kill folks for shiggles and to ramp up our own bounty-value so we can farm it within our own little group and all end up with anaconda's."

So, that's my take on it. Feel free to argue that the role and motivation of the guys that wiped me out last night was one that is within the defined legitimate roles of "Trader, Pirate, Explorer, Mercenary/Bounty-Hunter". anything outside of these is not within the intended roles of this game (IMHO).

Well said that man

 

[GJ51]

Why should your 'honest opinion' dictate for everyone else? For the devs? Why does your enjoyment trump others'?

You make a thread to cry, then dismiss any thoughts that don't align with your own, and proceed to tell us about your opinion some more?

Get over yourself.

Does this express disagreement? Not sure...

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I keep stating this..so one more time...when NPC's do this, it is legitimate for PC's to do this, regardless of how you personally feel. If a player wants to play the role as a nutter out to kill everyone, or is just taking out their real life stress on other players, it doesn't matter. What matters is if you do not like this type of gameplay you need to play in one of the other parts of the game where it cannot happen. There are two other choices on that start menu. I suggest using one of the other ones.

Really? You put NPC's in the same category of threat level????

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I came to this thread expecting it to be about griefing, instead it's just complaining about regular gameplay.

So your comfortable with players reaping millions EXPLOITING the bounty system as part of regular game play????

YES - it had to be said. This is an exploit pure and simple. Needs to be fixed ASAP.

 

[CMDR Canaris]

Sure, that's an exploit, but you don't know that's WHY the OP was targeted. Further, it wouldn't be griefing anyway.

 

[GJ51]

Sure, that's an exploit, but you don't know that's WHY the OP was targeted. Further, it wouldn't be griefing anyway.

To quote Hillary, "What difference does it make." It needs to be fixed.

If you get a 200 cr bounty and you want to clear it you go and pay it off at full value.

Why would it make sense for someone to be able to rack up millions in bounties and the only have to pay a fraction of that INVOLUNTARILY to clear the bounty.

Why should FD subsidize paying the bounty of criminals and make most players pay the full cost?

To me a fair mechanic is if you lose it all if you can't cover your bounty when it's claimed by another player.

 

[Daffan]

They should balance the PVP in this game and the crime system and than make an open-only server.

 

[Saool]

Whilst the behaviour described is pretty ty, I'm not sure 'Killing the game' is quite accurate. I hardly ever see another player let alone pvp. I just assume everyone is playing solo or are at Lave which apparently is where people go for old times sake. All the other players I do see are clean and just go about their business.

 

[Cula-Ta]

They should balance the PVP in this game and the crime system and than make an open-only server.

they need to fix it so the punishment fits the crime.
Don't think there needs to be an open only server.
I may want to start playing open in the future (when I can afford the losses)

 

[Sikamikanico]

I was witness to DanTheMan's plight - and for the record, I know people will be people, and jerks exist in all games with an online component, but there really was ZERO point to them blowing him up, aside from their own satisfaction/reasons?

TL;DR - People suck.

 

[elrogarddublanc]

Its all over the website. PLAY YOUR WAY! What does that mean I wonder?

It certainly does not mean do whatever you like. The licence is pretty clear that bullying and harassment are not allowed.

There is a strong gamergate-like undercurrent to this whole debate, that somehow someone mis-using the term "griefing" (a silly, misleading and overly vague term) means they know nothing. This is highly unlikely. Then comes the dismissal of genuinely held opinions, patronising posts, some very weird victim blaming way outside of a computer game that says all bullies get whats coming to nthem (nice, ain't it?), comparisons that stuff in a computer game is the same as Japanese kamikaze attacks ?!l

To sum up, a forum member said something, some people think he is wrong, some people thought he was wrong but gave some good advice, some people thought he was right, some people thought he was wrong and were pretty mean along with it. Which were you? Who would you like to be?

 

[Shear]

Have you reported it to FD?
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If not how do they fix the problem?

He can't report this to FD, well he can but what happened to him and what them players did is a completely valid way of playing the game, do i encourage people to do that? No. Is it an offense of any sort in the game? No. Some people are just... "not nice" (insert stronger phrase here)

 

[Helvellyn]

Sure, that's an exploit, but you don't know that's WHY the OP was targeted. Further, it wouldn't be griefing anyway.

It might be. You just said it yourself - you don't know WHY the OP was targeted. Could be because of some small-minded little jerk who gets a kick out of annoying other players, which is griefing in my book. The whole thing about "repeated" just makes it clearer.

 

[Commander Silex]

It is pretty obvious what is going on and FD better act before their game dies.
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A bunch of "Solo" players, who wanted the Offline game, have spent an age trading in Solo to get the best ships, and THEY are the "greifers" coming in to Open.....they are already bored with the game, and still angry at the "No Offline" mode....so they figure the best way to get what they want is to destroy open.
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FD needs to lock a player to a mode or their game is dead. The Open/Solo mechanic is being abused to destroy their game..........but maybe FD want it like that, they have the sales money already so best if it dies fast and they can move on to new things.

Go outside man! Get some sun. Stop drinking the water from your radiator!

 

[Cula-Ta]

Go outside man! Get some sun. Stop drinking the water from your radiator!

That's exactly what I was thinking, minus the radiator fluid.

 

[DanTheMan]

It certainly does not mean do whatever you like. The licence is pretty clear that bullying and harassment are not allowed.

There is a strong gamergate-like undercurrent to this whole debate, that somehow someone mis-using the term "griefing" (a silly, misleading and overly vague term) means they know nothing. This is highly unlikely. Then comes the dismissal of genuinely held opinions, patronising posts, some very weird victim blaming way outside of a computer game that says all bullies get whats coming to nthem (nice, ain't it?), comparisons that stuff in a computer game is the same as Japanese kamikaze attacks ?!l

To sum up, a forum member said something, some people think he is wrong, some people thought he was wrong but gave some good advice, some people thought he was right, some people thought he was wrong and were pretty mean along with it. Which were you? Who would you like to be?

Well, I for one would like to apologise if I have offended anyone's sensitivities. I am 60 and perhaps have a slightly odd view about "decent behaviour" that goes with my age and the fact that I have not been raised on FPS games of the modern genre where senseless violence and gore is the main aim of participation. So, I am sorry if I offend anyone (not my intent), yes, it is only a game (I am well aware of this fact) but senseless killing is to me just that and is without point or purpose. I am "not the bad-guy" here, I am just saying that I was surprised to have the experience that I did where there was no profit or benefit to the perpetrators, other than the pleasure in causing someone else a loss of some kind.

Now that I understand that "normal rules and etiquette" are NOT to be expected or applied I shall modify my own behaviour accordingly.

Does that sound fair?