You are arguing semantics. What does it matter if you call it griefing, ganking, bullying, mugging or flower arranging? The issue is about the intention and the effect, not what it's called.
Griefers are killing this game............
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You are arguing semantics. What does it matter if you call it griefing, ganking, bullying, mugging or flower arranging? The issue is about the intention and the effect, not what it's called.
Of course a player killing other players because that's what they enjoy, and to hell with what the players on the receiving end think, isn't " Me me me " ?
Seriously?
Welcome to my ignore list /facepalm
Wrong. Again, sorry.
I'm perfectly aware of the sort of "PvP" players that spoil the game for others (not those who add to it) and so I play Solo. Some players, particularly younger players, will just give up the game.
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look get this concept in your head if you allow for people to be heros you have to allow for people to be villans you cant have a realistic enviroment without good or bad the players in this instance did absolutley nothing that broke the games rules if you cant grasp that concept then stick to solo because open is not for you .I can say to FD is lock solo if you go there and want to come back to open you have to clear your save i have only ever played in open ive lost a few ships to pirates and plain muderers im wiser stronger because of it im not easy to pin down any more im more aware of whats around me and how to escape but i wouldnt have had it anyother way and negative or possitive incidents are all part of the game for me to enjoy
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No, they are not the same threat level, but they behave the same way. I have no idea how many times I have been interdicted, scanned, and attacked by NPC's while traveling with no cargo, no wanted status, no bounty. It's programmed in as a legitimate play style, therefore, players can behave similarly. This is completely acceptable BECAUSE there are ways to completely avoid this interaction. For anyone complaining about bad behavior in Open and calling it anything other than PvP gameplay, is disingenuous at best.
I am sticking to Solo, you seem to think I'm against this behaviour to protect myself. Also I'm not saying any rule was broken. I'm talking about good sportsmanship. I'm am certain that most of the players who pick on less experienced players don't do it to play the role of "villain" - that's just an convenient excuse to hide behind. They do it to cause grief to other players.
People keep trying to equate this to some kind of realistic situation but it really isn't. If, for example, some crazy psychopath was zooming around a space station - and I accept that it could happen, if not with this frequency - ramming into unsuspecting ships then the station authorities would be quick to act. They shoot you down for loitering do you really think they would ignore ramming? No rule was broken but a blind spot in the AI is being exploited.
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You are right it doesn't matter what it's called what happened to the OP (i don't find it griefing), the intention in their actions was to kill people in a PvP game, the effect someone needs to put on their big girl panties and learn this is going to happen whether it be npc or human. But i mean if we as players can't go around just randomly killing each other in a way that isn't completely keeping you from playing the game then the NPCS shouldn't be able to do it either.
what happened to the OP was he was killed once by a group of people (whether they be exploiting or not isn't important) just wanting to kill people for fun. They targeted at random and didn't keep hunting him down after the first time. It's exactly like the groups of NPCs who do it.
Bad things have to be allowed or there would be fewer reasons to 'play'. You want to be a hero to folks in Open, go after the people misbehaving! Don't come to the forums and petition rule changes that limit this type of gameplay....man up and go after the bad guys. Or, play in the protected modes.
enjoy your solo play all i can say to you is that ive never been griefed or bullied in this game and yes they probably will sort out the station ramming but i do hope they lock solo the arguemnt is about in my opinion people attributing legitimate game play to cheating hacking ganking and griefing and in this case it was none of the stated just gameplay and like i said you do not need any reason to kill another player in game thats the freedom this game is about you choose what you do yes security needs improving but if you remove the freedom of action from the game that will be the death of it
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So let's see if we can square the circle on this argument.
It wasn't griefing.
It may have been ganking, or is that only a sub type of griefing?
It is certainly possible and therefore 'part of the game'.
Can all agree it wasn't very nice?
Or am I on an fool's errand to find agreement in a forum thread?
It wasn't griefing.
It may have been ganking, or is that only a sub type of griefing?
It is certainly possible and therefore 'part of the game'.
Can all agree it wasn't very nice?
Or am I on an fool's errand to find agreement in a forum thread?
Why lock solo? Wasn't it promised to backers?
i would agree with you cmdr. it wasn't griefing, i would consider it ganking (killing random expecting people for no reason), it is part of the game, yeah it wasn't nice but meh we all do bad things from time to time, and yeah probably on a fools errand. but i would join you in it.
what you are getting is player using solo as a saftey net to get well ahead with no human threat then coming back onto open play as if they did it the hard way its not cricket is it and yes im a backer
Do you have any proof of that? (And why does it even matter? Are there prizes?)
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This has been discussed a ton of times.
Prime examples are:
- Avoiding populated zones, by just jumping to solo to avoid being ganked.
- Risk free money grinding (npcs aren't a threat)
- Community goal "exploiting" (kinda, no pvp interation leads to increase a side of the community goal much easier and faster, unlike on open).
And a few other things.
But this is a never ending battle, just like trying to explain to these guys that killing without reason isn't griefing.
It has, but has it ever been proven that hoards of Solo Anacondas are invading Open?
Every player, new or old, can do the same thing - even a brand new player. I can't see the issue here at all if everyone can do the same stunt. If it's too tough in Open, go Group or Solo until you're ready.
But it's not. Unless you agree that you're changing the definition of griefing.
So let's step over to the swingometer and in the spirit of the current election....and my own entirely unbiased view 
see what we can see.
What we can see is a pretty evenly balanced distribution of opinion. So who will decide this crucial issue? Well, there are a lot of floating voters, silent, and our own snap poll suggests that these people will vote for their own happiness.
Since it is likely the majority are not exploiting sociopaths intent on shiggles and tear harvesting one would have to say, IMO, it's looking good for a dose of law and order.
FD will act when it impacts their bottom line.
Personally, and I have stated it before, I want to see lots of risk, and appropriate reward. For pirates too. If some of that involves a modicum of tears, then so be it. Deal with it. If someone wants to psychotically kill players fine, but they need to expect to be hounded and cornered back to a 1000 credits and a Sidewinder unless they are genuinely an evil genius.
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see what we can see.What we can see is a pretty evenly balanced distribution of opinion. So who will decide this crucial issue? Well, there are a lot of floating voters, silent, and our own snap poll suggests that these people will vote for their own happiness.
Since it is likely the majority are not exploiting sociopaths intent on shiggles and tear harvesting one would have to say, IMO, it's looking good for a dose of law and order.
FD will act when it impacts their bottom line.
Personally, and I have stated it before, I want to see lots of risk, and appropriate reward. For pirates too. If some of that involves a modicum of tears, then so be it. Deal with it. If someone wants to psychotically kill players fine, but they need to expect to be hounded and cornered back to a 1000 credits and a Sidewinder unless they are genuinely an evil genius.
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