Griefers are killing this game............

[[VR] Mad Mike]

You know, when I was growing up, we learned how to play games. We learned sometimes you lost, and sometimes you win, but only if you learned how to play the game well, or practiced an awful lot. .

If this was a primarily PvP like COD, warthunder or battlefield AND the players "winning" were not using exploits like infinite instant shield regen, or ramming so as to not allow a player to be able to fight back without getting a bounty I would agree.

BUT Elite was not sold as that game.... hell if you want that game there is Star Conflict which is exactly that!.

It was sold as a space simulation attempting to recreate what life would be like if we had spaceships in the year 3300 where combat was a part of the game but were pilots federation members were a privaleged few who worked TOGETHER and where fighting witheach other outside of certain circumstance was rare and the exception to the rule.

It was sold as a space simulation where actions have consequences, where IF a player did choose to go on a rampant killing spree the game would deal harshly with them and it would have proper consequences.

Honestly, does anyone believe even remotely that in a society where ships cost millions of £s compared to todays money, people would throw away ships just for lolz? IMO elite is not an arcade shooter...... The problem is when 1 player plays it as one, and goes up against another player who isnt playing it as one, then it will be the arcade player who comes out on top, because it does not matter to them if they blow up or not.

 

[Mark Oliver Spengler]

The best way to avoid PVP murder is to fine the killer with the insurance sum of the destroyed ship.

 

[SteveLaw]

these threads are just funny. i go into open pvp mode and die post cry post.

Hmm. Should I open a ticket? Mine only says "Open Play", I can't find "PvP" anywhere - I've even looked in the manual!

 

[GibMeister]

I must play a different game! I wish there were griefers because I am bored and want to meet others who want a good fight! I got inderdicted in my Asp the other day Cmdr Faraboot jumped me caught me by surprise before I realised he was a player he did for me. I payed my insurance of 500k and lost 100k of cargo but I was excited to find him for revenge , I still haven't found him! I don't see many players.....but I now have a souped up Vulture so I am ready now! Got a player in warzone last night he he chased him down he dropped to 2% health and tried to jump so I let him go but NPCs started finishing him off so I took the last shot and finished him! No hard feelings Comdr!

 

[lovely lovely]

That's the spirit

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I must play a different game! I wish there were griefers because I am bored and want to meet others who want a good fight! I got inderdicted in my Asp the other day Cmdr Faraboot jumped me caught me by surprise before I realised he was a player he did for me. I payed my insurance of 500k and lost 100k of cargo but I was excited to find him for revenge , I still haven't found him! I don't see many players.....but I now have a souped up Vulture so I am ready now! Got a player in warzone last night he he chased him down he dropped to 2% health and tried to jump so I let him go but NPCs started finishing him off so I took the last shot and finished him! No hard feelings Comdr!

Try Lave and Leesti. If you do not get any joy there I can only assume it is either your internet or no one in your region is playing in open. I see many players knocking about the "old worlds", even in mobius which apparently is a tiny fraction of the playerbase playing in open.

 

[I_Am_Static]

It is pretty obvious what is going on and FD better act before their game dies.
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A bunch of "Solo" players, who wanted the Offline game, have spent an age trading in Solo to get the best ships, and THEY are the "greifers" coming in to Open.....they are already bored with the game, and still angry at the "No Offline" mode....so they figure the best way to get what they want is to destroy open.
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FD needs to lock a player to a mode or their game is dead. The Open/Solo mechanic is being abused to destroy their game..........but maybe FD want it like that, they have the sales money already so best if it dies fast and they can move on to new things.

lol what? I think your tinfoil hat is strapped on a little too tight. As far as wild claims go, that's pretty out there.

This could be pretty easily solved if they implemented something similar to EVE where attacking clean CMDRs in higher security space would bring a rapid response from powerful system security ships.

 

[Stigbob]

lol what? I think your tinfoil hat is strapped on a little too tight. As far as wild claims go, that's pretty out there.

This could be pretty easily solved if they implemented something similar to EVE where attacking clean CMDRs in higher security space would bring a rapid response from powerful system security ships.

Griefers are there, but its not a major problem. For example if I have a reason to visit Lave to get something done (bounty claim/trade/looking for equipment/reload) I go there in solo simply because its less bother and quicker, if I'm just mucking around I go in open. I'm happy to play with the griefers when it suits me and doesn't effect what I'm trying to get done.

Apply that rule to the busier systems and you utterly "disempower" them at a stroke ( I hate that word but it fits). Outside busier systems you wont see them, they need griefee's.

 

[I_Am_Static]

Griefers are there, but its not a major problem. For example if I have a reason to visit Lave to get something done (bounty claim/trade/looking for equipment/reload) I go there in solo simply because its less bother and quicker, if I'm just mucking around I go in open. I'm happy to play with the griefers when it suits me and doesn't effect what I'm trying to get done.

Apply that rule to the busier systems and you utterly "disempower" them at a stroke ( I hate that word but it fits). Outside busier systems you wont see them, they need griefee's.

You get griefers in any multiplayer game to an extent, but my comments were in direct reference to his player conspiracy that it was all about Offline.

 

[GibMeister]

The best way to avoid PVP murder is to fine the killer with the insurance sum of the destroyed ship.

Yes, a 6K fine for murder is pretty light! Should be 10 times that at least.

 

[Stigbob]

You get griefers in any multiplayer game to an extent, but my comments were in direct reference to his player conspiracy that it was all about Offline.

There is a group of disgruntled offlinegate sulkers and they have posted (here and elsewhere) about griefing/cheating to force people into solo in the mistaken belief that this will result in an offline mode.

Two problems with this,

1 they cant actually do it because space is simply too big and they are a tiny (vocal) minority.

2 if they achieve any alteration it will be them being perma-banned to the naughty universe with the other children who can't play nicely (you can read their bleating about bans on the cheat forums).

It wont work, but thats their aim. Check out the cheat forums for more details, its not a tinfoil hat situation he's just read more about it than you. Another thing they do is spread scare stories with doom, gloom and dire consequences for all (again this doesn't work). They also attack poeple they regard as fanboys/white knights for liking the game.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

There is a group of disgruntled offlinegate sulkers and they have posted (here and elsewhere) about griefing/cheating to force people into solo in the mistaken belief that this will result in an offline mode.

If it were possible to prove, I would bet my entire game save file (probably 250 hrs of gametime) that when it comes to antisocial players using exploits and acting a prat to ruin someones day statistically the amount of players doing it who were original KS backers who are doing it purely as a form of protest for no offline are negligible compared to random shooter players who have no interest in the history of elite and just want to blow humans up for lolz.

edit just to confirm, I am not talking about piracy or bounty hunting here both of which are important modes of play.

 

[Danube]

It was sold as a space simulation attempting to recreate what life would be like if we had spaceships in the year 3300 where combat was a part of the game but were pilots federation members were a privaleged few who worked TOGETHER and where fighting with each other outside of certain circumstance was rare and the exception to the rule.

It may have been sold with the above intent, but it's a pity they didn't design the actual game that way then. Instead, they donned their rose-coloured spectacles, designed it so players can shoot each other at will and trusted the player base. I admire their intentions while at the same time I laugh at their naivete. Mind you, they aren't the first game company to think players will invariably cooperate nicely and they won't be the last.

 

[Stigbob]

If it were possible to prove, I would bet my entire game save file (probably 250 hrs of gametime) that when it comes to antisocial players using exploits and acting a prat to ruin someones day statistically the amount of players doing it who were original KS backers who are doing it purely as a form of protest for no offline are negligible compared to random shooter players who have no interest in the history of elite and just want to blow humans up for lolz.

Yes, like I wrote they are a tiny (vocal) minority who do exist but who are utterly irrelevant. I was explaining that Sim Maker is not a conspiracy theorist (as far as I know). Either way to quote Douglas Adams :

"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."

Difficult to grief people who have an entire galaxy to play in, without griefee's griefers have nothing to do. Solo for Lave and the issue no longer exists.

 

[I_Am_Static]

Yes, like I wrote they are a tiny (vocal) minority who do exist but who are utterly irrelevant. I was explaining that Sim Maker is not a conspiracy theorist (as far as I know).

When you're stating that all the griefers are this "tiny *vocal) minority" then yes, it is a conspiracy theory. The groups that exist in Lave aren't players who fall in this category. The sooner people understand that players enjoy such past times as piracy or simply hunting other players for fun (right or wrong in yours or anyone elses eyes) the better. The simple fact is that when these kind of activities are so easily achievable in a game, you're absolutely going to see it. A lot of people don't need a reason to want to upset other players or give them a bad day for any other reason than "because they can", so to state it's all about forcing an offline mode is a very silly assumption.

 

[Im_Lost]

The best way to avoid PVP murder is to fine the killer with the insurance sum of the destroyed ship.

A fixed percentage of your total wealth would be better I think, as well as no insurance if your killed with it. Then it's a bad thing no matter how rich you are

 

[RhymeRhyme]

Totally disagree. Watch the lauch video and you see that it s advertised as a multiplayer action packed space game shooter.

 

[Stigbob]

When you're stating that all the griefers are this "tiny *vocal) minority" then yes, it is a conspiracy theory. The groups that exist in Lave aren't players who fall in this category. The sooner people understand that players enjoy such past times as piracy or simply hunting other players for fun (right or wrong in yours or anyone elses eyes) the better. The simple fact is that when these kind of activities are so easily achievable in a game, you're absolutely going to see it. A lot of people don't need a reason to want to upset other players or give them a bad day for any other reason than "because they can", so to state it's all about forcing an offline mode is a very silly assumption.

No I'm stating that they do exist and that they are very few, do your own research I'm not posting a link in frontier's forum to a cheat site.

Now having accepted that the peoples front of offlinegate are very few and irrelevant, yes the majority of griefers are simply people who like to ruin someone's game. I cant be bothered with them, so I come out of supercruise see a load of ships playing daft t**ts by the letterbox exit to main menu then back into solo and get on with the game. Once back into supercruise switch over to open again.

 

[I_Am_Static]

No I'm stating that they do exist and that they are very few, do your own research I'm not posting a link in frontier's forum to a cheat site.

Now having accepted that the peoples front of offlinegate are very few and irrelevant, yes the majority of griefers are simply people who like to ruin someone's game. I cant be bothered with them, so I come out of supercruise see a load of ships playing daft t**ts by the letterbox exit to main menu then back into solo and get on with the game. Once back into supercruise switch over to open again.

OK, let's get one thing clear, I'm not disputing that there may be a miniscule amount of people who have that mindset, but to say that's the sole reason is absolutely tinfoil hat garbage. You're telling ME to do research when one person is citing this as the entire reason it's even happening.

 

[v01i0]

I'll throw my few credits for this conversation.

I don't know how the OP (or other people who complain about griefing) managed to get griefed. I always play in open and I have been flying around in populated space, for instance, picked up a load of rare goods around Lave, delivered couple times a huge punch of exploration data in Tsu for Alliance Cartography Program -- yet I have never encountered live commander attacking me randomly. I have been interdicted few times but I have avoided them. I've seen a punch of people hanging around at the letterbox of these stations, but they have never reacted to my presence. I guess I have just been lucky not to get griefed

I am looking forward to the day when it happens. However, I agree that the bounty system is much too forgiving at the moment. I'd make it more serious, giving a substantial punishment for offenders.

-v