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Small comfort perhaps but at least if they have to buy new accounts they are giving money to the FD coffers
Griefers make open impossible, and how easy the solution is.
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If you upload evidence for public review of another player's wrong doing you are guilty of the "naming and shaming" restrictions. It also makes it harder for FD to deal with that person fairly since their views might be coloured by a disgruntled "namer and shamer".
If people want cheaters dealt with, then they need to provide the evidence to FD and let them deal with it - not (even try to) incite a mob-like mentality, that makes you as bad as (if not worse than) them.
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Personally I don't agree with this. Don't get me wrong this is FDs house and their rules so I don't name and shame here. But IF a video shows clear and obvious cheating and someone ups it to YouTube then they are fair game imo.
As for mob mentality. If they can't do the time don't do the crime. Ship warping etc.etc can be strange internet connections but an invincible ship inside the station attacking other ships can be only 1 thing.
Even IF invincibility was a bug, taking advantage of it to grief (I think in this case that term is warranted) other players is inexcusable imo
If it is part of a regular stream, then that is one thing. If it is done as a deliberate public "naming and shaming" exercise then you are just as guilty as them (from an EULA/ToS breach perspective) and that makes FD's life harder dealing with the person ultimately at fault - the person being named and shamed. That means cheaters and similar that get named and shamed will most likely NOT get dealt with by FD and ultimately undermines the purported goals of stopping the behaviour being named and shamed.
Ultimately, regardless of the outcome I agree with your sentiment BUT "namers and shamers" undermine FD's policing measures and thus undermines the ultimate collective goal of controlling (if not stopping) the "named and shamed" behaviours.
Well maybe naming and shaming are a viable option at times, even if it incurs the wrath of the mods. We will not know if FD take action against this cheater, their policy is to never publicise their remedial actions so as far as we the community stand, no-one ever gets punished. We may hear rumours but they are only that, rumours. Now if FD came out and stated categorically that Player XXX has been shadowbanned for 6 months for playing with hacks - that would be a different situation. But we can only go with the current situation and that is FD's 'don't ask don't tell' mantra.
They do temp bans, shadowbans and perma bans across multiple linked accounts. FDEV don't talk about it but the cheats certainly do. One lost a beta backer account plus a couple of hundred euro's in replacement accounts, he was very salty about it.
Could someone please PM me the cheats name I'm trying to collect all of the worthless toads in my blocklist.
This is a circular argument, if you actually want FD to deal with the cheaters and griefers then you need to disavow and discourage "naming and shaming" as an approach - the two are not compatible. If you engage in naming and shaming then the targetted individual will most likely never be dealt with by FD (at least in regards to the named and shamed activity - some may still be but I have zero doubt not all will be).
Personally, I think FD should initially give both a temporary ban until the dust settles then sort out the mess afterwards.
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If naming and shaming is such a terrible thing, what isn't FD actively trying to stop it in other social media like reddit and facebook? Also can you confirm that FD will not take any action against someone who was named and shamed? Something official from FD would be nice since you seem so adamant you are right.
It is common sense - similar things can happen in real world judicial hearings, there are good reasons for closed hearings (those being judged need to have a guarantee of impartiality to protect the innocent from false accusations). Witch hunts and vigilantism are (at least technically) illegal in most countries with a reasonable judicial system.
[EDIT]As for FD stopping it on Social Media outside of their direct control, that gets much more complicated - it is not their jurisdiction so all they can do in practice is probably shadowban the person engaging in "Naming and Shaming".[/EDIT]
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I think you will find it is part of the Terms of Service which we are bound to adhere to as part of the EULA.
Video link please...
It's in DD, thread of mine.
All court results are publicly posted and available to the general public unless the courts decide on an exemption, anonimity is not the rule. You can wander in and watch random courts cases happening if you interested, open justice and all that.
Anyway reality aside this is just a video game naming and shaming cheats is practically a public service (as long as its not subverted by trolls/stalkers naming the innocent just for yuks).
However FDEV's house, FDEV's rules so its not acceptable here.
Not in ALL cases, and personally I think only the judgements should be public (NOT the trials). Even then, common sense should dictate what details are made public - it is not fair on anyone concerned if details are released and then found to be in error. It is not as if any system is perfect.
Not a public service, a public nuisance on the most part. It is too easy to fake such things or at least provide a distorted view which then prevents the alleged party being dealt with fairly. Not everything is as black and white as some would like to purport, but "naming and shaming" is a clear violation of FD's rules regardless.
Exactly - my point is there is a reason it is not tolerated here and that restriction (while not easily - if at all - en-forcible by FD) effectively applies to all media (regardless of whether it is advertised here or not). Honestly, if you publicly name and shame then you can not reasonably expect the people you are naming and shaming to be dealt with by FD.
Slightly off topic now but the idea behind open justice is that the government can't just shrug when your family ask what they did to you. It protects us (even those of us the rest of us need protecting from) from the reigns of terror secret courts have frequently indulged in historically. Also the super injunctions that are popular in the UK now which ban all reporting have been used to stifle things like news about potentially fatal toxic liner in the drinking water supplies of boats, which again is not a good thing.
Open reporting of judicial proceedings needs regulation - regardless of the context, that is in order to ensure that justice is served, the falsely accused do not get inappropriately demonised, and the truly reformed have at least a chance at being accepted (and potentially making amends).
Where FD is concerned, I think it would not be unreasonable to get feedback on the outcome of a report on the proviso that the reporter does not disclose the details. However, FD seemingly do not feel the same thus we all will have to settle for player managed private groups OR accept FD's closed proceedings/judgements. If you name and shame, then you are as guilty as the alleged perpetrator if not worse - at least based on FD's rules which I think are both fair and reasonable.
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It is already regulated very heavily.
Too much time and hassle, just bin the cheats by automated processes wherever possible.
Naming and shaming is fine anywhere other than here except when its malicious. The cheats are the problem not talking about them.