Speaking of ganking, my alt just got their permit yanked from the PF starter systems for getting gud..time to head out (in my stock sidey) and see what lurks at the surrounding systems
Griefers make open impossible, and how easy the solution is.
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of course I did report him. No biggie...
Nope, as I have already stated several posts back - if someone behaves badly during a live stream the onus is on them, if someone deliberately posts a naming and shaming video the onus is on the poster of the video.
In either case, the person who behaves badly should probably be sanctioned but it is upto FD to do that, not us. The person hosting the live stream is not doing anything wrong but the namer and shamer is since they have gone out their way to post the video.
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Btw ganking/griefing is totally different to cheating.
1 is a Richard move but it's in game rules and in open so what ever... And the other is cheating and should be permanently account banned if caught.
1 is a Richard move but it's in game rules and in open so what ever... And the other is cheating and should be permanently account banned if caught.
Fair enough. I disagree but that is fine. I don't think cheaters deserve more protection from being posted online than anyone else and I don't think regular streamers should be given different rules of posting than others. It is not for you or I to guess the motivations of why someone posts a vid imo. I guess we just agree to disagree.
I agree and FD have been very careful with their automated moderation of PvP (via the C&P changes that introduced the notoriety mechanic - note the seal clubbing provisions) but even that is not without issues.
If people genuinely feel they are being targeted by PvPers with malicious intent they have the option of reporting them and blocking them. If FD choose to shadowban the reported party then that is down to them and whether they feel the report is justified.
That includes imposing sanctions on your use of their services if you try to side step the EULA/CoC restrictions by posting elsewhere.
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It is not just cheaters that are covered by the "naming and shaming" prohibition, it is anyone. The prohibition is against deliberate attempts to publicly disseminate information about an individual's in-game identity with the intent to either "ridicule" or "accuse". It is not just about cheating/ganking/griefing, it is any form of "naming and shaming".Fair enough. I disagree but that is fine. I don't think cheaters deserve more protection from being posted online than anyone else. I guess we just agree to disagree.
The provisions are fair and reasonable - but we will have to agree to disagree it seems.
Ganking/griefing is/was the specific topic of this thread, though it is easy to see how cheating can be used to facilitate ganking/griefing - GTA has a big problem with that IME (50-75% of the time I have logged in there are gankers/griefers/cheaters/hackers on-line at the same time and RS have mega-failed in their policing of it).
But overall, they are all (at least technically) prohibited by the EULA/CoC either directly or indirectly - context is the key element where judging ganking/griefing incidents is concerned.
GTA online is awful imo. I am obviously in a minority as a lot like it but I tried it and it was just full of nonsense. GTA is still a great game but am so glad it is totally independent on the online part.
It's not just to protect "cheaters". Thinking that is a huge part of the problem; as soon as you assume anyone who is on the receiving end of naming and shaming is a cheater being protected, you've already chosen to apply blame based on one person's claim.Fair enough. I disagree but that is fine. I don't think cheaters deserve more protection from being posted online than anyone else and I don't think regular streamers should be given different rules of posting than others. It is not for you or I to guess the motivations of why someone posts a vid imo. I guess we just agree to disagree.
You're way too ready to hitch onto the condemnation bandwagon.
If you want to get the most of GTA-Online/GTA-V features then you have to tolerate an element of the Open aspect of the on-line game. An aspect of ED's design that I am glad they have not fallen foul of thanks to their continued "all modes are equal" commitment. GTA is an object lesson in how restricting/biasing gameplay to any specific mode is a bad thing.
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I've come closer to losing pure combat vessels from running out of fuel than I've ever come to losing a multi-purpose ship, at least where I did not initiate hostilities, to enemy fire.
I can build a safe mining vessel, but even if I couldn't, mining is not something I need to hang around densely populated systems to do, nor are utility slots an absolute requirement to mine.
I did opt to refit the iCourier I had just shipped in to mine the 10 tons of osmium I needed to unlock an Engineer near Colonia, rather than use the D rated Cobra IV I had just built to mine, but thats precisely the sort of trade off I should have to make when I'm playing in open and I know DG2 is on the prowl (this was during DW2 and Colonia was a major stopover point).
Not with something that has sufficient small optional internals (anything Cobra III or larger really) for some HRPs and an MRP.
Most small ships without engineering or guardian modules aren't going to get useful levels of shielding, but even a stock D1 HRP is a useful amount of hull integrity and silent running has no downsides if one isn't concerned with keeping one's flimsy shields intact.
I'd only really be happy with a more plausible degree of loss that I didn't have to opt into.
All cargo, minus any insurance I paid for it, and rational insurance premium on the ship, both of which became dramatically harsher the most often I lost the vessel, until the point my CMDR was flatly uninsurable after too many mistakes in too short a period of time.
Gamma start locations were semi-random.
My CMDR's home system (where his free Sidewinder is if he opts out of a rebuy) is Cosi and there were about a dozen others at the time.
Of course, there has never been any compelling reason to stick to the starting locations and I'm not sure why anyone bothered to hang around Eravate.
The solve rate for murders in the US is ~50% and robberies are in the low single digits...if most of these weren't local crimes of passion or opportunity perpetrated by complete idiots, almost none of them would ever be solved. On top of that most exonerations for those who have been falsely imprisoned are also cases where the victim confessed to the crime rather than languish in prison for months or years before trial because they were too poor to pay bail.
If you kill or rob someone and are even vaguely careful about it, they'll just find some poor brown kid and lock him up until they hell they've tossed him into gets to be too much to handle and he tells them whatever they want to hear.
Anyway, when it comes to the Elite setting, I'm surprised that local authorities care what one PF member does to another at all. Afterall, these are the same people that run roughshod over locals as a matter of course and expect nothing more than a slap on the wrist for even the most vile crimes. Local law enforcement, even if they have some sort of agreement with the PF to let these atrocities slide, should be happy to allow PF members to blast the crap out of each other, even if they are obligated to fish the loser's escape pod out of the void.
ED is specifically engineered to make play a near consequence free experience, because players have balked at every sort of consequence mechanism there is.
Which is why I'm for a vastly less forgiving game.
Context is everything.
As long as it doesn't appear to be advocating cheating, I think it would pass.
well...again, like discussing rules of ethics here, while letting this one guy cheating right now is crazy. Some arguments even start to catch the "griefer"-thing, which is argumentally only "whataboutism" and nothing else but a technique of manipulation of a thread. Like the old Schopenhauer once did it.
But I don't care about getting the majority of a thread, I want FD to have this special guy banned from the game, or getting those cheats off the system. And don't talk about griefers at ShinDez. That is a completely different topic.
This Commander is still cheating. Do something FDEV.
PS: yes, I reported...of course I did...
But I don't care about getting the majority of a thread, I want FD to have this special guy banned from the game, or getting those cheats off the system. And don't talk about griefers at ShinDez. That is a completely different topic.
This Commander is still cheating. Do something FDEV.
PS: yes, I reported...of course I did...
Yeah, we be real careful about this. I once posted a link proving that traditional hacking is impossible on consoles, but because that link was to a page on an official hacking website (I did not realize this), I was banned for a YEAR from the forum... I fought vigorously and got my permissions to post restored a week or two later (taking it all the way up to Brett C), but it was a real eye opener. So Frontier might be light on hacking in the game, but they do not fool around when it comes to talking about hacking in the forum!
Yet it is more on topic where this thread is concerned than the digression regarding cheating.
In that case, you just need to trust that your observations are correct and FD are able to prove your observations to be true. If both are correct, then FD will have due cause to act.
IMO/IME Cheater claims on this forums are about as accurate as the griefer claims - probably 50:50 (c/f 50%) in both cases on balance.
Yes, you have banged on about this one guy in this thread quite a lot, very much detracting from the topic. You literally said don't talk about griefers in this thread about griefers. Could you at least read the title of the thread?
I think I lost faith in FDev dealing with cheaters around the G5 engineering stuff. They said they had proof of people cheating, but very little actual punishment was (apparently) meted out.
Those people are still playing (or at least aren't banned), have retained legacy G5 items ("oh these are the legit ones"), and anyone killed by their cheated modules/weapons had no compensation.
I'm sure some will rush in to point out they lost some modules, and maybe got shadow-banned for a month, but effectively it neutralised their cheating and didn't punish them.
Not that I really care, as they didn't impact me, but it did make me lose faith in FDev's processes.
that is true....forget about it. Sorry...
Well, at least you didn't double down. I can understand your frustration but this isn't the venue for it.
Same on Xbox. Funnily enough, Console is the best way to enjoy this game, aside from VR. The community is just 1000 times less cancerous