Brilliant stuff. Repped ;-)
Handling Fleet Carriers in 2018 - Fleet Carrier Concept
Excellent ideas. I'd be happy with Squadrons if they rolled out like that.
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I hope FD take notice of these ideas and incorporate them in some way.
It's a really interesting concept with great execution, thank you.
To have a purpose other than vanity a carrier needs to offer more than a space station, otherwise it has no reason to exist as your fleet can just park at a station without costing a credit.
My issue with carrier damage etc is if it costs anything to repair them and other players can attack them then this will become salt mining heaven.
It gets damaged and jumps out. Simply keeps following it and attacking it, until it bankrupts the squadron
If there is a rebuy/repair cost for destruction, same again.
In theory banding your squadron together to defend a carrier sounds great but logically, they will need to exist in solo, pg and open modes so squadron members can dock and interact with them. Otherwise there will need to be a special squadron only instance players swap to before exiting SC
So what if I create my own PG, only invite people not in the squadron's who's ship I want to attack then what is the squadron going to do about it
Or if I drink lots of caffeine, gets some like minded mates and do it at 2am
Destructible assets that costs materials or credits to repair just wont work.
Saying that there needs to be a restriction to stop carriers clogging up a system
One thing not touched on is will it be possible to join more than one squadron. I have a huge list of private groups I play in as and when friends are available. Will I now have to choose. The trend is in MMO's to be able to join multiple clans/guilds so will ED follow this trend.. Dunno, but it would be darned useful.
To have a purpose other than vanity a carrier needs to offer more than a space station, otherwise it has no reason to exist as your fleet can just park at a station without costing a credit.
My issue with carrier damage etc is if it costs anything to repair them and other players can attack them then this will become salt mining heaven.
It gets damaged and jumps out. Simply keeps following it and attacking it, until it bankrupts the squadron
If there is a rebuy/repair cost for destruction, same again.
In theory banding your squadron together to defend a carrier sounds great but logically, they will need to exist in solo, pg and open modes so squadron members can dock and interact with them. Otherwise there will need to be a special squadron only instance players swap to before exiting SC
So what if I create my own PG, only invite people not in the squadron's who's ship I want to attack then what is the squadron going to do about it
Or if I drink lots of caffeine, gets some like minded mates and do it at 2amDestructible assets that costs materials or credits to repair just wont work.
Saying that there needs to be a restriction to stop carriers clogging up a system
One thing not touched on is will it be possible to join more than one squadron. I have a huge list of private groups I play in as and when friends are available. Will I now have to choose. The trend is in MMO's to be able to join multiple clans/guilds so will ED follow this trend.. Dunno, but it would be darned useful.
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The cost for repairing can be (if not already suggested in the video) to speed up the repair. For instance it could take a day or two to get the ship repaired, but with money and materials it can get repaired sooner than that (either by 100% with all the materials and credits provided, or by a smaller percentage proportional to the materials and credits provided). In this case though, the problem would be how much is reasonable to wait in consideration to the capabilities of different player groups. There could be different carriers for different amount of players involved in their management.
If the cost to repair(either in credits or materials) is cosmetic only then it becomes optional(in that case, what's the point of having the damage). BUT if functionality is decreased then it goes back to my point. I'll just keep attacking it, and rendering it less functional until you pay up and fix it. And then I'll just start all over again until you're broke or you cba to fix it rendering it just a useless hulk in space.
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Okay we understand what you are saying, but how will you get to the damaged Carrier after it wakes out as the OP suggested. Unless you know the location of the last jump, it could be in a sphere of 2,000 LY (well whatever the maximum jump range of Carrier). And we don't even know if it would leave a high wake signature to track, it could be a different type of FSD.
So yes, you could go and attack it after it fled, IF you could not only find it, but get there before it is repaired!
Easy. watch on streams to see where people go. follow on discord, friends lists, infiltrate the squadron etc. Just look at how players find other players now and theres your answer.
And you will manage to do that in the finite time of repair. Okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy .....
Ignoring the obvious "So you know how long it's going to take then?" response...
If the repair time is too short, then paying for repair becomes pointless, which in turn makes damage pointless.
I can guarantee high profile player groups(esp those who stream) or well known player's carriers will be found in less than 12h after jumping away.
and even if I cant find it, the threat of it being found would be enough for players to stay away from it, in case it is. Thus denying it being used. Again causing hassle and salt
The salt mining incentive will be far too great to resist.
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There's also the option of making carriers only visible to the squadron that owns them. A unique POI for that squadron. This prevents griefing of carriers multiple times and large squadrons going around noob stomping.
If 2 squadron's want to war it out in an epic battle they could maybe declare some kind of war on each other through whatever squadron communication methods must be coming to support these ships. When one squadron decides enough is enough or their carrier reaches a damage threshold then the battle is over. The winning squadron cannot then instance with the losing squadron's carrier over and over, since the battle is over and instancing returns to default.
Yeah, that's the solution that works best I think, with the loop hole that it doesn't stop sabotage. I'd prefer the POI option with undamagable carriers for sure.
To have carriers that can be damaged by players is a just a recipe for grief, salt and mayhem
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I was thinking the same thing today, in my view it is essential that people can be members of multiple squadrons so as many people as possible can benefit from all the squadrons fleet carriers.
It will make the galaxy so much more alive, if going on an exploration mission for example there are a few different carriers you can dock with in the core or even way out the other end of the galaxy
I hope the devs take these concepts into serious consideration. Some great ideas. Especially love the idea of NPC crew which would add so much to the game and a feature many people would love to see added.
I might add that refueling the carrier by buying hydrogen, or mining gas giants, maybe another method to determine the jump range. More fuel the further it goes. No delay once it is refueled. The fueling process is the delay.
I might add that refueling the carrier by buying hydrogen, or mining gas giants, maybe another method to determine the jump range. More fuel the further it goes. No delay once it is refueled. The fueling process is the delay.
It's a really interesting concept with great execution, thank you.
To have a purpose other than vanity a carrier needs to offer more than a space station, otherwise it has no reason to exist as your fleet can just park at a station without costing a credit.
My issue with carrier damage etc is if it costs anything to repair them and other players can attack them then this will become salt mining heaven.
It gets damaged and jumps out. Simply keeps following it and attacking it, until it bankrupts the squadron
If there is a rebuy/repair cost for destruction, same again.
In theory banding your squadron together to defend a carrier sounds great but logically, they will need to exist in solo, pg and open modes so squadron members can dock and interact with them. Otherwise there will need to be a special squadron only instance players swap to before exiting SC
So what if I create my own PG, only invite people not in the squadron's who's ship I want to attack then what is the squadron going to do about it
Destructible assets that costs materials or credits to repair just wont work.
Saying that there needs to be a restriction to stop carriers clogging up a system
One thing not touched on is will it be possible to join more than one squadron. I have a huge list of private groups I play in as and when friends are available. Will I now have to choose. The trend is in MMO's to be able to join multiple clans/guilds so will ED follow this trend.. Dunno, but it would be darned useful.
Safety jumps could be made that when the carried takes too much damage all members get a count down warning, when the carrier jumps it will jump to a safe location that is predetermined and the wake signal is scrambled. This way when the safety jump is initiated no one can follow.
I believe some danger must be associated with it, that is a part of the fun to play the game.