Inara for me, rather than a separate program, but yes, without those it would be terrible.If not for EDEngineers, I simply would not have come back to play Elite as often as I have done. I remember coming back once, looking at my out of date engineered FAS, looking once at the nasty spreadsheet I had to use to attempt to manage the process to upgrade it and then logged off for another year or three. The last time I came back, last year, I found EDEngineers and that simply changed the game for me. It made the process bearable. If Odyssey is the same it'll just annoy me no end.