Will there be an expansion for bringing placeholder-feeling mechanisms such as missions, nav beacons and asteroids fields up to par at some point?
Horizons price discussion
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If that's the case than 10 pounds/ $15 is a pretty paltry discount for those that already bought the game. I just got a friend into it, how am I going to have him justify getting the expansion now when he could have waited a month and gotten the expansion with the game already in it?
If the full price for the expansion includes the base game, the expansion alone, already owning the game, shouldn't be more than half the cost. States-side, the game costs $60. Horizons costs $60 as the full game plus a season of content. If all I need is the season of content, $30 would be much more reasonable.
The comparisons are largely being made by people using themas an argument to claim that Elite is 'worth the money' 'because no subs'. The point is that a subscription model makes sense when expensive servers must be bought and maintained, something Frontier avoided with P2P, thus the comparison is meaningless.
If you've read my posts you'll also know that at no point have I claimed that the expansion is too expensive, or that Elite has not been 'value for money'. What I objected to is the obvious use of existing customers to subsidise new sales and the exploitation of beta testing to get a few extra quid.
That is, by the way, distinct from the issue of whether I feel I now trust FD enough to deliver on what they promise to pre-purchase Horizons (short answer; no). Because of this I will also lose out on the 'loyalty' discount, despite being one of the people who backed them pre-release but was unable to afford a lifetime pass at that point, and having spent a lot of money on skins in their shop. That doesn't sit very well with me.
Voting with my wallet is exactly what I will do, but are you suggesting we should shut up and not voice our opinions here?
Credit where credit's due, you included an important distinction that makes the pill a little less bitter to swallow.
I have reduced my indignation levels accordingly from Bah Humbug to Annoyed Raised Eyebrow.
Assuming 3 airless rocky worlds on average per star system and 400 billion star systems. That is 1.2 Trillion new world sized "maps" for £40 - making each new "map" worth £3.333333333333333e-11 each - too cheap I would say
That's dubious because there's currently hundreds of thousands of space stations, except there's actually only really 3 meaningfully different exterior types albeit with a degree of variation and a shameful total of 2 interior designs. So I'm not that hopeful that it will feature much more than 1 white moon, 1 grey moon and the occasional blue moon.
What you seem to miss is that this is not a traditional MMO, whereby an expansion renders previous content largely obsolete and as something to be quickly leveled past. The base game is worth every penny it was at launch, no matter how many expansions are released. It's absurd to claim that the extra £30 is to play between now and Horizon's launch. We already paid for the game, there are not huge server costs as in EVE or WoW. Your argument makes no sense.
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Putting this whole price thing to a perspective. DCS World flight simulator is free to download and play. It comes with two planes as default. You want more planes, you need to pay. A lot. See here:
http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/
Compared to that a season pass for upgrades is a bargain for $60.
http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/
Compared to that a season pass for upgrades is a bargain for $60.
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Assuming 3 airless rocky worlds on average per star system and 400 billion star systems. That is 1.2 Trillion new world sized "maps" for £40 - making each new "map" worth £3.333333333333333e-11 each - too cheap I would say
But would each of those worlds be new? They are a lunar/rocky world are they not? I can't imagine that there will be much variation, especially beyond the bubble. So with that in mind, you would actually end up exploring the same planet 1.2 trillion times no?
Yes I plan on buying it eventually, but lets be realistic here in regards to variation of worlds. I would expect most of the worlds with variation to be the core worlds like the faction capitals and power play headquarters locations. That will just take time to implement IMO.
They have the next 5 months to play
I expect the expansions to be available separately at some point.
I didn't buy the pass last year because i want to choose for myself which expansion to get and which not, not all of them may interest me.
With ED itself included in the price (something i originally missed), i reckon it's not entirely unreasonable, at least not for new players.
Since i already own the game, it seems a bit on the steep side, i don't buy games twice.
More importantly, we don't know yet what those other expansions will be, which makes it difficult to judge the "value for money"-aspect right now.
Once they tell us what to expect for that pass, a more qualified buying decision can be made.
I didn't buy the pass last year because i want to choose for myself which expansion to get and which not, not all of them may interest me.
With ED itself included in the price (something i originally missed), i reckon it's not entirely unreasonable, at least not for new players.
Since i already own the game, it seems a bit on the steep side, i don't buy games twice.
More importantly, we don't know yet what those other expansions will be, which makes it difficult to judge the "value for money"-aspect right now.
Once they tell us what to expect for that pass, a more qualified buying decision can be made.
Seen a lot of sympathy for poor little, hard-up FD today. Don't be misled to think that FD is some small developer that needs every penny. In addition to the Kickstarter campaign they have raised millions through through other means. They are very cash rich. Read their annual reports and half yearly results and you'll see what a huge company they are and how they really don't require sympathy. If you want to order the expansion that's cool for you, but do it because you've made a value judgement.
Do you know how many seasons and expansions the lifetime pass will cover? I must have missed that. If not, how can anyone know that £130 is worth it? It's a hope, nothing more.
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De hell be a expension?
I agree. this is ridiculous!!!!
People who already own the game should get the expansion for £10 , £15 MAX
I paid £50 for the game before last christmas, i would have to pay £30 for this total = £80....
New player just pays £50 and gets everything....
And charging another £10 for beta access.. WOW.
Its good news but absolute shafting current customers. £10-£15 to make it fair,, or the new players should pay more for the double pack (Horizons and original elite..)
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The problem with your comparison is that with DCS you don't need a completely separate game to play all of the modules together. We don't know exactly just yet (or at least I haven't read yet) how the base game players will be able to interact with Horizons players or with those who have the future expansions. In DCS, it doesn't matter if you have the A-10 or any of the other modules or not to actually play together. On a server in DCS I have seen anything and everything flying in that game together that is offered as a module in that game. And I don't have to own the other modules for that to happen.
Now this is just me but I backed the game as an original BBC player in 84. I have the game in frontier store sitting as I don’t have a PC able to play this or other games I've just got off steam. Yes I backed and got the game for £20 but now I have to spend another £30 or £40 ( I don’t know as I’ve never downloaded the game so I’m I a registered player?)
Seems like I’d have been better off getting Horizons for £40 this winter if I had known. I’d have loved FD to say you bought this game and backed us but you have never played this game yet so have the expansion for another £10. After all if I pay £40 after being a backer than it nullifies my great purchase from the KS to get a copy for £20.
I’d be happy for them to update my copy to Elite Dangerous to Horizons that has not been played for another £10. in all £30 paid thus keeping my KS bonus. Granted its my fault the game has never been played but its kind of rubbed me up the wrong way.
Seems like I’d have been better off getting Horizons for £40 this winter if I had known. I’d have loved FD to say you bought this game and backed us but you have never played this game yet so have the expansion for another £10. After all if I pay £40 after being a backer than it nullifies my great purchase from the KS to get a copy for £20.
I’d be happy for them to update my copy to Elite Dangerous to Horizons that has not been played for another £10. in all £30 paid thus keeping my KS bonus. Granted its my fault the game has never been played but its kind of rubbed me up the wrong way.
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So because one game is expensive then other games should be too?! Seriously, it's like I've stepped into the Twlight Zone.
That's a bit off or missing a tier. My Mercenary pack pre-order was £35. Plus £13 for the retail disc (because of poor rural internet) = £48 for the base game. Add £130 for a limited time offer for unknown content for an unspecified period (all we know is landing and driving around barren rocks) and that's £178.
Not good value until I know what I will be getting. If FD released their release plan for the life cycle of the game then I'd be less critical. They do have one, but want to keep it under wraps and make the customers take all the risk.
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Agreed.
Game was released in December, it's not an alpha or beta anymore. Can't believe people are even defending the prices, it seems mental to me. I may come to tolerate the price and continue playing, maybe catch the expansion in a sale, but I don't agree with it. The trouble is that everyone whom I care about playing this game - they're not fanatics of Elite. Most people will think it's ridiculous - but those people aren't here to say that because they don't read the forums.
When the price of the expansion is about as much as the game without the expansion, you're basically paying for the game twice! How do people not see that? Seriously, there's just £5 difference in it for me...and don't go on about the privilege of playing from December until now. This isn't, and never was, a subscription based game. If it was, I never would have bought it. Seriously, who would have?
If the game was cheaper, maybe more people would've purchased it so it might balance out.
Also,
Who is this really written for?
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