Horizons price discussion

[grammatonfeather]

Sry Frontier, iam a little bit dissapointed over the pricings for the "Addons" "Expansions" "DLC" what ever you want to call it.

Back in the days i pre-ordered Elite for 40€ now i have to buy this addon for an much higher price then the core game? Yeah it is nice that you give us a small price deduction, but it still cost 9,99€ more then the core game!?

Addtionally, is this addon standalone? So if a new player buys just Horizon, is he able to play it? Or is the purchase of the normal elite still required? I mean that are +80€ for a starting player. Not good if you want a big playerbase Lets not forget that feature extensions will divide the playerbase!

"Elite Dangerous: Horizons is a stand-alone game, and does NOT require Elite Dangerous season 1 to play. If Steam detects you already have season 1 in your library then a discount of 25% will be applied. "

 

[CorBlimey]

Don't waste your money. Horizons is just as boring as the normal version. Now you can be bored on planets. I'll be skipping this content. If I want to be bored I'll just play the regular version. TLDR: Horizons is just a boring as the regular version and not worth the money.

thanks. I think, regretably, this is my conclusion too. There is no way in hell I am paying £40 more when my current game (apparently I only paid for a 'season' whatever the fudge that means - news to me) has tedious mining (don't think drones were fixed), grindy repetitive easy-except-there-are-10-of-them PvE combat and an impenetrable 'powerplay' system. I still recall wistfully when the mere sound of my Sindwinder powering up would turn me on. Happy days (literally.. )

 

[munster]

I have the life time expansions, that I got part of my kickstarter pledge. Even I have to say that this pricing system is all ballsed up by Frontier.

You pay £40 for the original game. Then they want you to pay £30 for the original game again with the Horizons season. Why is the original game part of the horizons pack. They might as well just take the original game off sale, and just leave Horizons there. Then update everyone who has the original game to Horizons for free. All other expansions should be around £15-20 for just the expansion with no original game.

It should have been, £40 original game, then £15-20 per expansion. Thats my opinion anyways.

 

[mikey420]

Yea im kinda wondering what this "season" thing is. I bought ED in beta stage for $75...now Horizons is a new seasoning I have to pay another $50 to taste??? No way...that is some really really bad marketing and design decisions from my standpoint

 

[Alderius]

Just my two bits worth, but I'm still waiting for the "base" ED game to work before paying for an expansion that is just as, well, flaky? I like the whole ED concept, I think FD has a great product, but I see a lot of the same basic flaws repeated over and over in the CG's for example. This isn't a players opinion on shield strength or NPC AI, that can be quite subjective. I'm talking about core issues like the recent BH CG's having the wrong factions, or the trading CG's marketing at a loss, or rare CG's that are adjusted to have virtually no product, or the station upgrade the had no bulletin board to claim the reward, or the global incentives that don't exist. The list goes on, until someone addresses the "template" they will always have problems.
I work for a software company, we sell a software product, if I told my customers to purchase an upgrade (same price as the base) to a new version for get new features (that mostly work?) without addressing the flaws in the original, I'd be escorted out....

I'll wait and see, but there are a lot of good/better alternatives out there for the same/less money....

 

[KellyR]

Don't waste your money. Horizons is just as boring as the normal version. Now you can be bored on planets. I'll be skipping this content. If I want to be bored I'll just play the regular version.

TLDR: Horizons is just a boring as the regular version and not worth the money.

Then it's a bad fit for you and you shouldn't buy it. I find it great fun that's not boring at all. But to each their own. Vote with your wallet. I did. FD knows they won't please everyone. They just try to please as many as possible. And they're doing a great job, I think. I'm sorry you aren't one of the ones they're pleasing but se la vie (translation: such is life).

 

[JonnyC0mbat]

How much do you spend on a night out drinking? How much do you spend on food,petrol, music, movies?

£40 for a years worth of addons is too expensive? Do me a favour.

If you enjoy elite, buy the extras. If you don't like the base game why on earth pay more? It's not going to radically change the game, that's called a sequel.

I really don't get people.

 

[Haleks]

£40 for a years worth of addons is too expensive? Do me a favour.
If you enjoy elite, buy the extras. If you don't like the base game why on earth pay more?

£40 per season of broken features is damn too expensive yeah.
And thanks for stating the obvious : I certainly didn't buy season 2 and the general feedback so far doesn't encourage me to.
Still, forums are made to express concerns (amongst other things), and I'd say a good deal of players feel they need to : you might be happy with ED's current state and giving your money to Frontier, but customers also have the right to express their disagreements, especially when the list of issues for a one-year old product is as long as my arm (and I have long arms).

 

[CMDR_Amanath]

So your friends got bored with it and left you alone, and you were hoping that Horizons would bring thrm back, but $$. Lol. They were never coming back.

 

[Haleks]

So your friends got bored with it and left you alone, and you were hoping that Horizons would bring thrm back, but $$. Lol. They were never coming back.

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What?

 

[PiLhEaD]

...I certainly didn't buy season 2 and the general feedback so far doesn't encourage me to...

In my opinion it's well worth the money. It's impossibly to really convey in words, and even video somehow doesn't 'do it', but picking a rock, zooming towards it, twisting and spiralling down to the surface, flying through canyons, finding a flat bit, landing, watching your ship crackling up into the deep black as you dismiss it, zooming and bouncing over an uneven surface, seeking and finding minerals to hoover up, recalling your ship, seeing it land, re-boarding, lifting off, after-burning your way into space to jump to your next destination... it's been worth every penny I paid for Horizons.

YMMV

 

[JonnyC0mbat]

£40 per season of broken features is damn too expensive yeah.
And thanks for stating the obvious : I certainly didn't buy season 2 and the general feedback so far doesn't encourage me to.
Still, forums are made to express concerns (amongst other things), and I'd say a good deal of players feel they need to : you might be happy with ED's current state and giving your money to Frontier, but customers also have the right to express their disagreements, especially when the list of issues for a one-year old product is as long as my arm (and I have long arms).

What broken features?

My performance has improved, the game runs better than ever, I haven't found a single bug, they've fixed the odd bug from 1.4, and added countless new bits to the game.

1.5 gave you a load of new ships and a ton of improvements for free, and that's not even counting all the updates over the previous 12 months.

I just flat out disagree with everything you are saying.

 

[Calebe]

Horizons is an expansion pack. How many people bought expansions for WoW? Everquest? COD? Almost any game can charge for download content to add maps and features, the difference is you buy one pack for $25 then in 6 months another. In Horizons you pay $50 or whatever the conversion is for the whole year and all the updates. Basically the same thing, just a one time price and not broken up and charges less but twice. Or look at it another way, the game has only one expansion pack for $25 for the year, then $25 the next. YEA! You saved $25 but on the other hand that was all the updates for the year while Horizons will update throughout the year. So sure you paid $25 and done for a year, but your also done with the updates for that year.
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This is a bargain but only if you like the game and want to do more. The choice is yours but don't bash a pricing scheme when you think of it as 3-4 expansions packages throughout the year. It could have been Horizons land on airless planets. Faces, now you customizes your character. Expansion volcano's now active and whatever else they add as upgrades for only $25 in 6 months time. Minimal, but a nice add on. You see how it could go? Once and done for the year or break it up into smaller bites and charge less but in total charge the same or a bit more. After all a $20 expansion isn't so bad, even if 3 times a year.
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Oh wait that would actually cost everyone more but the price is 'cheaper' isn't it.
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Calebe

 

[Haleks]

What broken features?

My performance has improved, the game runs better than ever, I haven't found a single bug

You haven't found a single bug? You need your eyes checked :

• BGS is still not working.
• Random crashes when dropping to salvageable wreckages.
• Previously scanned bodies vanishing from radar on re-connection.
• NPCs stopping their engines and doing multiple barrel rolls when being shot at.
• CGs need constant fixing.
• Graphical issues with planet textures/rendering.
• Teleportation when interdicted...

And the list goes on - why am I even bothering? Just have a look at the bug report section : plenty of things to read mate...

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Elite: Dune Buggies!

I have no Idea why I wouldn't spend money on yet another ground combat game.

Can I take the gold/stuff I still have in MechWarrior and World Of Real Money Sink, and transfer it over here?

 

[CTCParadox]

Remember that Elite Dangerous: Horizons isn't a single expansion, it is a season of expansions - similar to the season of features and content we've done so far. There are new features and content beyond the initial release of Elite Dangerous: Horizons.

Michael

I'll be honest, the first season of updates was pretty poor.
I bought Horizons, but if all we get are updates like 2.1 Planetary Community Goals or 2.4 Global Racing Championship (GRC) then Horizons will be the last expansion I buy up front.

CMDR CTCParadox

 

[upsetkiller]

What broken features?

My performance has improved, the game runs better than ever, I haven't found a single bug, they've fixed the odd bug from 1.4, and added countless new bits to the game.

thats a flat out lie , I do not own horizons , but the update happened for all of us to stay on the same server, every one has reported a frame rate drop at stations and such regardless of owning access to planets or not

 

[KellyR]

I'll be honest, the first season of updates was pretty poor.
I bought Horizons, but if all we get are updates like 2.1 Planetary Community Goals or 2.4 Global Racing Championship (GRC) then Horizons will be the last expansion I buy up front.

CMDR CTCParadox

You aren't just getting Planetary Landings. That's just the 1st part of it. They will also be releasing a commander editor, crafting and multi-crew. But I've got to say these complaints about the pricing are pretty lame. $5.00 a month is all it costs. And you aren't forced to continue that $5 a month. If you decide you don't like a season, you can opt out and still play all you've gotten so far. Try that with EVE. Sure EVE costs more. There's more content as well. And for double or triple the price of Elite Dangerous, there should be. Just remember with EVE if you don't pay monthly you don't play. With Elite Dangerous if you don't pay you keep what you already have but can still play.

 

[rucky]

You aren't just getting Planetary Landings. That's just the 1st part of it. They will also be releasing a commander editor, crafting and multi-crew. But I've got to say these complaints about the pricing are pretty lame. $5.00 a month is all it costs. And you aren't forced to continue that $5 a month. If you decide you don't like a season, you can opt out and still play all you've gotten so far. Try that with EVE. Sure EVE costs more. There's more content as well. And for double or triple the price of Elite Dangerous, there should be. Just remember with EVE if you don't pay monthly you don't play. With Elite Dangerous if you don't pay you keep what you already have but can still play.

So tell me, why do I need that commander editor?
You say FPS is coming along in a future update? Then it would be better to get that then and as a gimmick not a full priced DLC (as of worth 10€ as a 1/4 of 40€)
Ah you mean I do need that for the MultiCrew, right ?! What does offer MultiCrew for me as I mostly (99%) play alone as most other players too? There are no NPCs in game, not somewhere in this season and even not announced in future updates.... so again... why do I need that?
Crafting. Oh yes.... something what is in many games listed somewhere in the featurelist is now a full priced DLC (worth 10€ too).
That has to justify it's worth...

I do have bought ED-H. Why? uh. Because I already have invested 160€ in this sh.. nice game (plus 200€ for X55) and another 40€ "werden den Kohl auch nichtmehr fett machen" how a german saying goes.

But please stop that "in EVE you would pay XYZ per Month blah blah" as it'getting old now. I haven't played subscription based MMOs in the past and won't do it in the future.
We were told E-D won't be like that and we were told some additions like planetary landings will be payed expansions.
But we were not told that this would mean about 3 seasons about 120€ for that.

Most peoples here blindly fighting for FD I do assume at least 80% do already have season pass gotten very early (40€ complete early beta or kickstarter) so didn't have spend any cent on it - that would also explain the really low steam sales lately.
It's clear they fight - they don't need to pay anything more...

 

[KellyR]

So tell me, why do I need that commander editor?
You say FPS is coming along in a future update? Then it would be better to get that then and as a gimmick not a full priced DLC (as of worth 10€ as a 1/4 of 40€)
Ah you mean I do need that for the MultiCrew, right ?! What does offer MultiCrew for me as I mostly (99%) play alone as most other players too? There are no NPCs in game, not somewhere in this season and even not announced in future updates.... so again... why do I need that?
Crafting. Oh yes.... something what is in many games listed somewhere in the featurelist is now a full priced DLC (worth 10€ too).
That has to justify it's worth...

I do have bought ED-H. Why? uh. Because I already have invested 160€ in this sh.. nice game (plus 200€ for X55) and another 40€ "werden den Kohl auch nichtmehr fett machen" how a german saying goes.

But please stop that "in EVE you would pay XYZ per Month blah blah" as it'getting old now. I haven't played subscription based MMOs in the past and won't do it in the future.
We were told E-D won't be like that and we were told some additions like planetary landings will be payed expansions.
But we were not told that this would mean about 3 seasons about 120€ for that.

Most peoples here blindly fighting for FD I do assume at least 80% do already have season pass gotten very early (40€ complete early beta or kickstarter) so didn't have spend any cent on it - that would also explain the really low steam sales lately.
It's clear they fight - they don't need to pay anything more...

I don't own a lifetime pass, nor am I a kickstarter backer, nor premium beta backer and I fight for it. So it's only worth 10 euros for an always online game. So it's not worth even 1 Euro a month?

As for it getting old about Eve, tough. The servers that FD host this game on still have to be paid for. Oh wait. You want it shut down, right? Well, I and a lot of others don't and are willing to pay to keep it going because we love the game (which is why I will not purchase a lifetime pass). But it seems you want to spoil it for everyone.