How do you deal with combat logging?

[thirstyfish]

@scitrekker excepth FD called it an exploit more than 2 years ago and therefore it is cheating

Exploit != cheating. Cheating is using an external tool to win (like an aimbot). Exploit is most often using a vulnerability in the game itself in order to not lose. And not lose != win.

And you are really making a big deal out of one kill. Its a graphical effect, really nothing more.

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No bounty, no combat rank. Not even close to being acceptable.

Irrelevant. I am not commenting on whether or not its ok to clog, as that dead horse has been beaten way too much. I am responding to the OP's question. And the best answer is to move on with your life. Please read before you spout off.

 

[Sathayorn]

Corvette rebuy, 30-50 million. Some people think players should earn 1-2 million per hour, so each Corvette death you DONT combat log ideally requires 60-100 hours or grinding in their minds. Yeah, no. People are going to combat log.

If you're only making 1-2M/h bounty hunting in a Corvette, you're doing it wrong, VERY wrong.

I make 5-6M/h bounty hunting in my anaconda.

 

[RhymeRhyme]

It contradicts and challenges quite a bit of what you wrote:


In that vid you had a huge chance to survive and a 100% chance to low wake out of that fight. It directly contradicts your claim that you have no chance to survive against engineered ships.


You weren't getting insta-killed in that vid. In fact your shields were still up to full when you logged. So basically you are being purosefully disingenious here based on your past experiences.


Fair enough suggestion to make.


Then don't fly what you can't afford to lose and certainly don't pick fights in a ship you don't want to/can't afford to lose like in that vid. If you pick a fight and it goes badly you have the option of high waking out and in your case you could have low waked. But if you stay and lose then you should expect to face a rebuy screen. Pulling the plug is cheating your way out of the consequences that everybody else has to face.

My question to that is: what makes you so special that you feel you should not have to abide by the rules of the game like everyone else is expected to?


Again, don't fly what you can't rebuy. That's one of the rules of the game - if you don't want to follow that rule then why play this game? What's worse is; why do you feel like you can try to blow someone else up and take them to the rebuy screen (a penalty for them for playing without cheating) but in turn you shouldn't have to face the very same consequence? That's not a level playing field.

The background of this video is a total different one and also funny. That day friends of mine and I were partying (Obi's birthday) so hard that we could hardly fly a ship without crashing it into the station. That was also the reason why I attacked an FdL. Just out of the crazy fun we had. I could hardly control my ship and it was kond of crazy to get involved in a fight in the first place. The video shows very impressively how uncoordunated that all went. Bit it was fun anyhow ... I was just hitting random keys trying to do somehow something. Thus might also be the reason for the FSD to blow up. Hahahaha... That was the contect of that video. And I was laughing a lot yesterday seeing it. Didnt even remember that event. Great that someone caught it on cam. Postednit to my friends and they all had a vig laugh.

Bit... still... engineered ship vs. People with unengineered ship is totally unbalanced and folks like SDC rip ships appart randomly. Yes, you can high wake and escape in an ASPx or whatever. But wouldnt it be great the game balance was given and even people without hundred of hours of spare time at their hands had a fair chance in a FIGHT with others? I would like to PvP and I loved it before ... 2.1? .... but I simply cant invest another mega grind in this game and so many others as well. I habe like 3 , 4 hours of easy going hours per week. Spending in on gaming and other hobbies like music production. That s why I think that Engineers is pay time to win and school kidz might have the time but not many other people and whatever bla bla... you get my point.

SUMMARY (back on keyboard)
Just to sum it up. Engineers is nice for people with plenty of spare time and will to grind. But this is just one player group. Other player groups got a huge disadvantage since The Engineers. It's a fact. Only thing RizzleKid for example has to say is... Git gut! What solution does this provide? 0.0000 help for the situation.
At least I try to make a proactive approach and try to give solutions to solve this dilemma. Git gut? Nope. doesnt work. Not everyone comes home from school and play the rest of the day. Not a real approach here. We need a solution that help everyone.

 

[StiTch]

How to deal with combat logging? Dont nerf decent ways of making money.

Corvette rebuy, 30-50 million. Some people think players should earn 1-2 million per hour, so each Corvette death you DONT combat log ideally requires 60-100 hours or grinding in their minds. Yeah, no. People are going to combat log.

Well that's golden news because from my experience, n00bs that have been playing a couple weeks and have a 'conda they don't know how to fly - obtained through whatever cash cow exploit is going - are the worst offenders.

Perhaps players shouldn't be piloting a ship with a 30-50 mill rebuy if their ability to handle danger involves writing "I am a fish" five hundred times, doing a funny little dance and fainting.

 

[Noctover]

The background of this video is a total different one and also funny. That day friends of mine and I were partying (Obi's birthday) so hard that we could hardly fly a ship without crashing it into the station. That was also the reason why I attacked an FdL. Just out of the crazy fun we had. I could hardly control my ship and it was kond of crazy to get involved in a fight in the first place. The video shows very impressively how uncoordunated that all went. Bit it was fun anyhow ... I was just hitting random keys trying to do somehow something. Thus might also be the reason for the FSD to blow up. Hahahaha... That was the contect of that video. And I was laughing a lot yesterday seeing it. Didnt even remember that event. Great that someone caught it on cam. Postednit to my friends and they all had a vig laugh.

Bit... still... engineered ship vs. People with unengineered ship is totally unbalanced and folks like SDC rip ships appart randomly. Yes, you can high wake and escape in an ASPx or whatever. But wouldnt it be great the game balance was given and even people without hundred of hours of spare time at their hands had a fair chance in a FIGHT with others? I would like to PvP and I loved it before ... 2.1? .... but I simply cant invest another mega grind in this game and so many others as well. I habe like 3 , 4 hours of easy going hours per week. Spending in on gaming and other hobbies like music production. That s why I think that Engineers is pay time to win and school kidz might have the time but not many other people and whatever bla bla... you get my point.

SUMMARY (back on keyboard)
Just to sum it up. Engineers is nice for people with plenty of spare time and will to grind. But this is just one player group. Other player groups got a huge disadvantage since The Engineers. It's a fact. Only thing RizzleKid for example has to say is... Git gut! What solution does this provide? 0.0000 help for the situation.
At least I try to make a proactive approach and try to give solutions to solve this dilemma. Git gut? Nope. doesnt work. Not everyone comes home from school and play the rest of the day. Not a real approach here. We need a solution that help everyone.

You're kind of forgetting to address 3 vital aspects:

A: The fact that you combat logged after starting the fight in the first place, unless your trying to insult our intelligence by telling us you wouldnt do this if your vette was in danger again.
B: People wrongly use the term "Griefer" and "Harassment" to describe PVPers however you actually qualify in this case, bad language, abuse and accusations. Guess that was also the alcohol right...
C: The fact that he already knew full well that you were going to combat log in the video begs the question; how many times have you done it and why has no action been taken against you.

 

[Faybs]

How do I deal with combat logging? it's usually not a problem, unless I bang my head against the table when crawling back out...


I kid, I kid

 

[GreyAreaUK]

...stuff....

You appeared to start the fight.

You were in a Corvette.

You logged.

You accused someone of cheating.



Zero sympathy.

 

[Noctover]

You appeared to start the fight.

You were in a Corvette.

You logged.

You accused someone of cheating.



Zero sympathy.

You've always had a way with words sir. To sum this up id have written a paragraph, but i like the TLDR version .

 

[StiTch]

Having done door-to-door sales once upon a time, I think it's similar to a potential customer slamming the door in my face. Next door. it happens.[knocked out]

Absolute and utter bull dung.

It's always okay to just wave the hands in dismissal when it's not the "pacifism 4eva" playstyle at risk, aye?

No? Righty then.

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Wanna tell me how that will go down bro?

 

[GreyAreaUK]

You've always had a way with words sir. To sum this up id have written a paragraph, but i like the TLDR version .

Aw, shucks

 

[RhymeRhyme]

You're kind of forgetting to address 3 vital aspects:

A: The fact that you combat logged after starting the fight in the first place, unless your trying to insult our intelligence by telling us you wouldnt do this if your vette was in danger again.
B: People wrongly use the term "Griefer" and "Harassment" to describe PVPers however you actually qualify in this case, bad language, abuse and accusations. Guess that was also the alcohol right...
C: The fact that he already knew full well that you were going to combat log in the video begs the question; how many times have you done it and why has no action been taken against you.

You adapt language wise to your counterpart over the time. So many times I chatted with 2 or 3 members of (I suppose) your group and the language was below 0 immediately.
Problem about combat logging is well described and things like to mention "git gut" will not help. It's a structural problem and if you like it or not, Noctover, as long aas these problems exist, you will always get loggers. I logged in the past. I wrote it multiple times in this forum. Sometimes it really was a computer crash, but I also logged as well. I have no problem stating it out. I didn't log for a while now as I can't loose 2 years of work within 1 hour of OPEN play anymore. My budget got better. But logging is a problem of 1) totally unbalanced game, 2) way too much to loose for some players 3) groups like yours being part of the problem.

Instead of hanging around in a Wing of 4 in front of stations with overpowered engineered ships, shooting everyone to pieces that "dares" to come out, even attacking launching ships with rockets or torpedos from outside, why don't you change your "play style". I've seen CGs where people of SDC or whatever your it was destroyed whatever came out of the slot. THIS is one of the reasons people get frustrated and log as soon as they get interdicted. Not the only one but one major reason out of a few.
So, sreaming LOOGER all the time but being a reason for the "problem" is kind of schizophrenic. That's what RizzleGuy and other don't get. I crush people whenever I can for no reason and make them loose hundred of hours of work (maybe less, maybe more) then I cry like a little silly sissy when I try that another time and they show me the finger by logging.

I once asked one guy of SDC to switch to a "normal" MK III and we meet outside. 1 vs. 1. He refused to do so. Several evenings he didn't have the balls to do it after calling me names and whatever for weeks. That's like these little sissys that are only strong in a group but if you pick them out, they cry like a kid. That's what's going on and that's what many people are fed up with. They log, they switch to SOLO or PRIVATE. A direct result of ganking and whatever. So, how about to start what you, SDC and other groups can improve to make the situation better. How about solutions that really help to get the logger problem solved.
One of my approach is and was to lower the rebuy costs to 1/10th for PvP encounters for example. Could work. Would many people make stay and fight etc.
What's your solution? Git gut?

Anyway, my time really is very limited. Have fun boys! You will encounter many loggers within the next couple of years. Help to solve the problem or deal with your anger when people dissapear in front of you. But stop saying to people git gut or engineer your ship. That is for many people out of scope. Work with facts not with your fantasy world of how it should be because I want it like that. In the end ... it's a computer game and it should be about getting fun out of it.

 

[StiTch]

why don't you change your "play style".

So you're publically fighting for the rights of players to play their own way by telling other players to play differently?

I don't know if you awkwardly think you can regain face by acting like a half-troll but just be honest here. You've embarrassed yourself. You can either accept you got your backside shamelessly handed to you....

or keep digging <3

 

[RhymeRhyme]

So you're publically fighting for the rights of players to play their own way by telling other players to play differently?

I don't know if you awkwardly think you can regain face by acting like a half-troll but just be honest here. You've embarrassed yourself. You can either accept you got your backside shamelessly handed to you....

or keep digging <3

I don't fight for the rights of players, I try to find a workable solution for the logging by defining a framework that works for players as well as for the attacker who see the empty space many times and get frustrated. I said that crushing people out of the blue for no reason is one of the problems that makes many people log after it happened more than once to them. Would you question this? Embarrassed or whatever... To be honest. I so much don't care about whatever whoever thinks about me. StiTch, you can repost whatever you want. I do not care. I'm trying to get some fun out of computer games that I play. It's games, not real life. Chill, ... nothing is so sirious. If you feel better.... I feel soooooooooo ashamed. Ok? [yesnod] [knocked out]

 

[StiTch]

Chill, ... nothing is so sirious.

Sweetheart, we're all very chill. I myself am some enjoying some popcorn reading this thread. Popcorn of course salted, courtesy of you <3

 

[Theodrid]

Firstly, I'll restate my position just to be absolutely clear, combat logging is a ****** move, especially in open, it harms more than piracy and bounty hunting, it hurts the games reputation - arguably as much as senseless stream smiling and the like.

Onto my point, where we're all you guys and gals currently screaming cheating in the thread by a rather notorious female XBox player that combat logged via multicrew? I was there, I called it just like here, but many of you guys and gals were either strangely absent, saying 'lol, hilarious' or saying she was 'pointing out an important flaw'. Now, before you maintain that line please consider what your reactions would be if the logger in this case had claimed the same? Before any of you claim to have not seen the xboxers thread, that is by no means the only example I could give, off the top of my head, at least three other examples come to mind.

Honestly, to a good number of you, (not all), you are showing ridiculous double standards, if 'one of your own' does it then it's 'lol, hilarious', 'doing a job for the community' or 'I/we might try this later'. If someone from outside your inner circle does it then it's 'CHEATER', 'ruining the game' and the like. All of this also falls into your hypocritical position on pretend spaceships, one minute it's, 'get over your loss it's only pixels' then in the next breath the sky is falling because said pixels vanished on you.

Stop having double standards, stop being hypocrites and start showing some consistency across the board if you want to be taken seriously on this subject.

 

[Franko7o3]

How I deal with combat logging?

1. I shout "Nooooooooo" and start looking into the sky and wait for an answer of god
2. I start crying and run to my mom and say to her: "Mami mami - this bad old man not let me kill his T6, T7, T9, (any other ship) with my superior PVP-Killer-machine"
3. I blame this Combat logging guy everywhere with videos and rude text in some boards.
4. I'm waiting for other PVP-Carebears who give me positive comment on my Videos and give me moral support. I start to talk bad about the combatlogger and I feel my self superior again.
5. I write my memoraries about my hard life as PVP-Killer.
6. I play any shooter to kill much as possible noobs to get back my self-esteem.
6. I struggle with the world, my life...
7. I go whimpering to bed every night and singing "mimimi - they not let me kill them" till I fall asleep.

....L.O.L....

 

[Morbad]

Consequences of loosing ships doesn't need to be softened. Cheaters just need to be punished.

 

[Noctover]

You adapt language wise to your counterpart over the time. So many times I chatted with 2 or 3 members of (I suppose) your group and the language was below 0 immediately.
Problem about combat logging is well described and things like to mention "git gut" will not help. It's a structural problem and if you like it or not, Noctover, as long aas these problems exist, you will always get loggers. I logged in the past. I wrote it multiple times in this forum. Sometimes it really was a computer crash, but I also logged as well. I have no problem stating it out. I didn't log for a while now as I can't loose 2 years of work within 1 hour of OPEN play anymore. My budget got better. But logging is a problem of 1) totally unbalanced game, 2) way too much to loose for some players 3) groups like yours being part of the problem.

Instead of hanging around in a Wing of 4 in front of stations with overpowered engineered ships, shooting everyone to pieces that "dares" to come out, even attacking launching ships with rockets or torpedos from outside, why don't you change your "play style". I've seen CGs where people of SDC or whatever your it was destroyed whatever came out of the slot. THIS is one of the reasons people get frustrated and log as soon as they get interdicted. Not the only one but one major reason out of a few.
So, sreaming LOOGER all the time but being a reason for the "problem" is kind of schizophrenic. That's what RizzleGuy and other don't get. I crush people whenever I can for no reason and make them loose hundred of hours of work (maybe less, maybe more) then I cry like a little silly sissy when I try that another time and they show me the finger by logging.

I once asked one guy of SDC to switch to a "normal" MK III and we meet outside. 1 vs. 1. He refused to do so. Several evenings he didn't have the balls to do it after calling me names and whatever for weeks. That's like these little sissys that are only strong in a group but if you pick them out, they cry like a kid. That's what's going on and that's what many people are fed up with. They log, they switch to SOLO or PRIVATE. A direct result of ganking and whatever. So, how about to start what you, SDC and other groups can improve to make the situation better. How about solutions that really help to get the logger problem solved.
One of my approach is and was to lower the rebuy costs to 1/10th for PvP encounters for example. Could work. Would many people make stay and fight etc.
What's your solution? Git gut?

Anyway, my time really is very limited. Have fun boys! You will encounter many loggers within the next couple of years. Help to solve the problem or deal with your anger when people dissapear in front of you. But stop saying to people git gut or engineer your ship. That is for many people out of scope. Work with facts not with your fantasy world of how it should be because I want it like that. In the end ... it's a computer game and it should be about getting fun out of it.

Firstly, you're using "You" and "Your" alot, i am not a part of any player group, i play on my own 99.9% of the time.

Secondly, its like a seal clubber complaining about animal rights but in the same breath saying "as long as the problem exists i'll be part of it". You're not willing to lose hours/day/weeks of work but instead of having the solution "i wont put it at risk" you pick fights knowing you'll just exploit game mechanics to get out of them. Your not an anti-hero, your a cheat...Sorry that's just how it is. You only fight, because you know you cant die, then you blame the mechanics of the game or other players for having combat capable ships you yourself could get if you wanted to... Sorry mate your just a giant hypocrite.

 

[Fishy]

What's to deal with? You won. All you missed out on is a ridiculously low bounty (if any), 5-6 common materials floating in your instance, and 0.00000003% combat rank progression. Yawn.

If your enjoyment is diminished by not having had a negative impact over another player's credit balance, you might want to step away from the computer for a bit imho.

It's not a very sporting move for sure, but it hardly costs you anything so...

 

[Noctover]

What's to deal with? You won. All you missed out on is a ridiculously low bounty (if any), 5-6 common materials floating in your instance, and 0.00000003% combat rank progression. Yawn.

If your enjoyment is diminished by not having had a negative impact over another player's credit balance, you might want to step away from the computer for a bit imho.

It's not a very sporting move for sure, but it hardly costs you anything so...

I agree. All risk should be taken out of the game because risk dosent benefit anyone. FD...2.4 please.