How does information travel in ED universe?

The Alcubierre drive still changes your position (otherwise it would be pointless to use one as a means of travel), and doing that faster than it would take a photon to reach the same location through normal space is what matters in terms of allowing time travel. FTL warp drives mean that those regions outside of the future light cone in the above diagram are just as valid a destination as any regions within the future light cone. That's what it means to travel faster than light. It doesn't matter if you do it by warping space. It doesn't matter if you do it by making your mass imaginary and riding a beam of tachyons. It doesn't matter if you do it by donning a pair of ruby slippers and clicking your heels three times. Space and time are unified under relativity, so any device which allows for the FTL changing of position in space also allows for time travel into the past.

"Events are still in the same order" - But according to whom? Relativity explicitly forbids a universal frame of reference, that's how it got the name. An astronaut taking a trip to a distant star in his FTL warp ship will experience events within his warp bubble occurring in the expected order, but while he's warping FTL, he is to all intents and purposes isolated in his own little pocket universe, outside of which no object can reach him, or indeed any information whatsoever travelling through normal space, not until the bubble is dismantled. So there is no causal chain of events requiring that the time one emerges from a warp journey is in a future direction from the time one entered it.

FTL travel = time travel. Relativity demands it, and doesn't care about the means by which you accomplish it.

Well, then according to your definition the Alcubierre drive is impossible as it would break relativity, study how the Alcubierre drive works you will understand why movement is not involved in this case at all, so relativity is not broken, it doesn't change your position in a conventional way , you don't actually FTL travel at all as u don't move, the drive just contracts space in front of you while expanding it behind you, in short, you don't move in normal Euclidian space , no acceleration involved (if you actually moved, the acceleration would kill u and the ship instantly), so in short the FTL speed is only apparent, not an actual faster than light speed, anyways that's just speculation, we will see the day it will be created for real , not just an experiment bubble as in labs right now but actual travel experiments using that tech.
 
Well, then according to your definition the Alcubierre drive is impossible as it would break relativity,

No. I am not saying the Alcubierre drive breaks relativity. That would be silly, as the whole idea relies on relativistic concepts in order to work in the first place. That changing reference frames faster than light enables time travel into the past is a consequence of relativity, not a breaking of it. Whether or not the Alcubierre drive can actually be used in a way that facilitates FTL travel (and thus time travel) remains an open question.

study how the Alcubierre drive works you will understand why movement is not involved in this case at all, so relativity is not broken, it doesn't change your position in a conventional way , you don't actually FTL travel at all as u don't move, the drive just contracts space in front of you while expanding it behind you, in short, you don't move in normal Euclidian space , no acceleration involved (if you actually moved, the acceleration would kill u and the ship instantly), so in short the FTL speed is only apparent, not an actual faster than light speed,

I am aware of how the Alcubierre drive is supposed to work. None of that changes the fact that the Alcubierre drive changes your position, and can do so in a way that would enable one to beat a beam of light to the destination. Being able to change your frame of reference faster than light is what enables time travel.
 
No. I am not saying the Alcubierre drive breaks relativity. That would be silly, as the whole idea relies on relativistic concepts in order to work in the first place. That changing reference frames faster than light enables time travel into the past is a consequence of relativity, not a breaking of it. Whether or not the Alcubierre drive can actually be used in a way that facilitates FTL travel (and thus time travel) remains an open question.



I am aware of how the Alcubierre drive is supposed to work. None of that changes the fact that the Alcubierre drive changes your position, and can do so in a way that would enable one to beat a beam of light to the destination. Being able to change your frame of reference faster than light is what enables time travel.
No, Alcubierre clearly said that's his mathematical model doesn't involve time violation as you are in your own spacetime bubble and you don't actually move as I stated before, also there are reasons to think that traveling back in time is impossible due to the laws of physics preventing it, entropy for example makes the succession of events irreversible making traveling back in time impossible but there are other theorical reasons as well, basically the laws of physics protect us from time travel back in time, the are also theorical issue that would make controlling the bubble , the Horizon issue which would require somebody from the outside to switch the bubble off at arrival, that's why he talks about some kind of Hyperhighway with points where bubbles are desactivated, however we are just speculating here and a warp bubble has never been created to the scale it can be used for travel

watch this video, it is very interesting, it explains a lot of stuff
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JafY92PhgKU&t=2723s
 
You can get up to about 1890c, I forget exactly what it is, but it's not 2000c
The actual upper limit in this game is 2001c.

To test this, just point towards a star that's more than one light year away and let her rip full throttle. It does take a while to get to that speed but that is the top speed.
 
The actual upper limit in this game is 2001c.

To test this, just point towards a star that's more than one light year away and let her rip full throttle. It does take a while to get to that speed but that is the top speed.

I didn't say it wasn't in fact I have clearly stated at times that the top speed is 2001c, as reference to Stanly Kubrick's famous film, the actual speed reference here is the maximum speed you can get to traveling to Hutton Orbital, you can't reach 2001c on the way to Hutton, so your point is pretty superfluous. If you read the post it's quite clear I am referring to the speed you can get to traveling to Hutton Orbital.
 
No, Alcubierre clearly said that's his mathematical model doesn't involve time violation as you are in your own spacetime bubble and you don't actually move as I stated before, also there are reasons to think that traveling back in time is impossible due to the laws of physics preventing it, entropy for example makes the succession of events irreversible making traveling back in time impossible but there are other theorical reasons as well, basically the laws of physics protect us from time travel back in time, the are also theorical issue that would make controlling the bubble , the Horizon issue which would require somebody from the outside to switch the bubble off at arrival, that's why he talks about some kind of Hyperhighway with points where bubbles are desactivated, however we are just speculating here and a warp bubble has never been created to the scale it can be used for travel

watch this video, it is very interesting, it explains a lot of stuff
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JafY92PhgKU&t=2723s
Time is just a unit of measurement.
 
Information is stored in each ship the first one here transmits this to nav beacons and everyone else (which is why we're the primary instance). As the shop is FTL it's always best to assume we store all news as a compressed packed on a storage medium in each ship ;)
 
Information is stored in each ship the first one here transmits this to nav beacons and everyone else (which is why we're the primary instance). As the shop is FTL it's always best to assume we store all news as a compressed packed on a storage medium in each ship ;)
If I find something I need to sell it so the data counts and everyone can see it. But if I kill someone, it will be known throughout the galaxy.
 
. If you read the post it's quite clear I am referring to the speed you can get to traveling to Hutton Orbital.
Actually, that's why I replied. The very first time I ever went to Hutton, that was actually the speed I managed to reach (2001c).
 
Actually, that's why I replied. The very first time I ever went to Hutton, that was actually the speed I managed to reach (2001c).

If you travel in a straight line, full throttle you will never reach 2001c, I have done the trip many times, you start slowing down at the halfway point before you reach that speed.
 
If you travel in a straight line, full throttle you will never reach 2001c, I have done the trip many times, you start slowing down at the halfway point before you reach that speed.
No, no disrespect intended, but I did manage to reach it. It was in an eagle at the time. Top speed reached was 2001c. That speed of course didn't last more than a minute or two before the slowdown started, but I did manage to make it.
 
No, no disrespect intended, but I did manage to reach it. It was in an eagle at the time. Top speed reached was 2001c. That speed of course didn't last more than a minute or two before the slowdown started, but I did manage to make it.

Then you may not have been pointed directly at Hutton the entire time, acceleration in SC is independent of ship mass and size, I have done the trip in several different ships of different sizes and a direct course point to point won't let you get to 2001c.
 
Then you may not have been pointed directly at Hutton the entire time, acceleration in SC is independent of ship mass and size, I have done the trip in several different ships of different sizes and a direct course point to point won't let you get to 2001c.
Well, it's possible it may have been off a few degrees.
 
Well, it's possible it may have been off a few degrees.

That's very easy to do, with joystick plugged in if I left the PC on a Hutton run when I got back after ten of fifteen minutes it would often be already drifting of the edge of the screen, the only way to avoid the drift even on very good joysticks is to set it dead center and swap to alt-keyboard controls, doesn't drift at all then.
 
That's very easy to do, with joystick plugged in if I left the PC on a Hutton run when I got back after ten of fifteen minutes it would often be already drifting of the edge of the screen, the only way to avoid the drift even on very good joysticks is to set it dead center and swap to alt-keyboard controls, doesn't drift at all then.
I see. I pointed just south of the circle for Hutton but I am on the keyboard and mouse.
 
I see. I pointed just south of the circle for Hutton but I am on the keyboard and mouse.

Yeah if you aren't pointed directly at Hutton the midway turnover and slowdown takes longer, not much, but we are only talking about 100c out of the total possible 2001c so it's quite possible you did indeed reach 2001c by not pointing directly at Hutton.
 
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