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Thanks for interjecting. Perhaps now we can get back on topic.
Huge decline in console player numbers, Hull Seals consider disclaimer & drop support.
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Thanks for interjecting. Perhaps now we can get back on topic.
I think it goes without saying that grounds makes your argument stronger; but not if your grounds are weak, or misleading.
What's more, when using statistics, logic, or attempting any sort of ground, one must be careful -- as inclusion of faulty grounds might lead others to believe in something that is not true.
There's a reason why people are careful about using such things...
Again, admirable that you attempted to use stats to prove a point, but not admirable that you persisted after realizing that they are flawed or not representative.
Also, as a side note: when a publisher of said data says it's not intended to be used a certain way, that should be incredibly strong incentive to reevaluate.
Well what can you really say?
FD are double fudged really, and have to rebuild the game into a playable state and probably realise trying to sort out moving targets is hard enough, so they are focussing on one platform.
This will hit console populations, but the real question is will it do it permanently?
FD are double fudged really, and have to rebuild the game into a playable state and probably realise trying to sort out moving targets is hard enough, so they are focussing on one platform.
This will hit console populations, but the real question is will it do it permanently?
You were the one who made the claim, you are the one who needs to prove it.
Its like asking someone to prove the world isn't flat after you have claimed it is. Its not on the person who doesn't believe you to prove that it isn't flat.
The facts as I see them
- Anecdotal evidence from various communities - some of those I'm part of, some I'm not - are that console CMDR numbers are significantly down at the moment.
- Statistical evidence from various third party upload tools show a marked decline in the number of console CMDRs uploading data, and by assumption, also playing Elite Dangerous at the same time. Source: EDDN.
- A lack of a clear roadmap or release date for Odyssey on console from the developer.
- Statistical and anecdotal evidence from larger player groups such as The Hull Seals and The Fuel Rats (Source: links in OP) appear to show a steady drop in console CMDR numbers.
- Hull Seals adding a disclaimer around recovery time for console players. Again suggesting a drop in player numbers.
My opinion
- A decline in console CMDR numbers is evident and should be addressed by Frontier in the short term.
Happy to discuss any of these points further, or consider reasoned opinions that either contradict, or correlate to, my own.
Yes it's frustrating being stuck in the pre-Odyssey period on console, particularly as it looks good (at least in Cmdr Ydiss [Stealthboy] videos).
The Bubble feels rather empty ATM, unless I pass through a 'popular' system it can be a couple of days between encountering anyone, however if Ydiss' videos are representative of what Odyssey has to offer I think we're in for a decent future.
The Bubble feels rather empty ATM, unless I pass through a 'popular' system it can be a couple of days between encountering anyone, however if Ydiss' videos are representative of what Odyssey has to offer I think we're in for a decent future.
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I would say yes. Unless...
- Odyssey is polished to within an inch of it's life and gets some major feature upgrades before console launch
and/or
- Frontier can somehow keep players engaged in the meantime
and/or
- Current-gen native support and Cross Play are included at launch
o7
@MishaTX I would not qualify myself as a quitter, but I am at the same time not lining up to get bent over. FD dropped the ball hard. I'm a console player and watching Odyssey PC is like what.
I am also not impressed with the amazing lack of imperative and hussle from FD and their uncanny knack for sticking their foot in their mouth.
That they delayed Odyssey for the console is a no brainer. Who wants that hot mess? I can continue to play as I did previous to Odyssey. My issue is that they pulled a Fallout/Cyberpunk and then think things just go back to normal when they say "I'm sorry" and that is just a big hell no.
Fix the product, offer refunds, make it right. FD isn't doing anything that communicates they understand how bad they fudged it.
So we will see. I still have it on my hard drive. I'd love to come back when it's all smoothed out. We just have to wait and see.
I am also not impressed with the amazing lack of imperative and hussle from FD and their uncanny knack for sticking their foot in their mouth.
That they delayed Odyssey for the console is a no brainer. Who wants that hot mess? I can continue to play as I did previous to Odyssey. My issue is that they pulled a Fallout/Cyberpunk and then think things just go back to normal when they say "I'm sorry" and that is just a big hell no.
Fix the product, offer refunds, make it right. FD isn't doing anything that communicates they understand how bad they fudged it.
So we will see. I still have it on my hard drive. I'd love to come back when it's all smoothed out. We just have to wait and see.
Can I be a moderator?
sigh I can see I'm not making any headway. Best of luck CMDR o7
Then FD need to (and I assume they will plan for it) to take that into account.
What is undeniable is Odyssey did not increase EDs population, which is largely flat- now that is worrying as all the investment into Odyssey therefore has really been wasted so far.
I'd go as far to say all populations on all platforms need winning back and to me is the most interesting question- can FD get momentum again? They had everything going for them prior but it all was wasted- can lightning strike twice?
Thanks - o7
Oh my that is one hell of a high horse you seat yourself upon!!
Dude look, as Dextio and many others have said (including me) it sucks what is happening wrt consoles. I feel for you.
But making a statement then grounding it on dodgy numbers, getting shirty with everyone for telling you so (including the authors); then placing yourself as a kind of moral beacon of "holier than thou" archetype speaks volumes. And this kind of attitude bleeds through the whole thread, that people just begin to not even believe your OP anymore. All you are doing is destroying any grounds you might have had to begin with, and I think that is a real shame, as it reflects on other threads by other people - I'll let you fill in the details on this though.
All I said and have premised since the beginning of this farce is that there are no grounds for your assertions, based on the evidence you provided. Exactly as others have also said. But you keep wanting to argue like a fool (this isn't an attack on a human being btw lol, it's an observation), and all you are achieving is making yourself look a much bigger fool!
You can check out the contextual definition of my sentences if you want to be even more pedantic, but I really don't care what you think of me! I just don't understand why you keep on replying to me, trying to bait me into saying something that you can report me for? It's not going to happen, so don't bother - use your energy on-topic instead (that is sarcasm).
I just don't get why you won't cut your losses and walk away, it's not like I'm stalking you - I only keep coming back in here to see what you have composed in your new hourly reply!
Have some humility buddy and perhaps going back to the subject of post 1 would be wise, but I'm not daft enough to write that more explicitly in here because it is kind of mocking the mods. And jeez, I bet they are busy with this train wreck!
Regain your dignity mate, and move on.
Oops, sorry Mr Phillips!
(I'm really trying hard to have an adult discussion..., but it's not normal for me - maybe I should go back to my usual place!)
Something like:
"Just like David Braben said two weeks ago, Odyssey Console is still delayed until Odyssey PC is of a high quality and ready for porting. The Roadmap for Odyssey Console is therefore 'when it is ready'. Thanks for your patience, CMDRs. o7"
Would that satisfy?
You haven't included the stats from Inara that were provided in this thread, that show an increase.
But what about sales of Topics? I NEED STATS
It won't surprise you that my answer is no, will it?
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First rule of moderator club, if you ask to be a moderator you are instantly disqualified from being a moderator. Who would want to be? Seriously?
I am playing less on my PS5 with ED than I was so my statistic proves I am playing less as a console commander.
One simply does not understand this, what what
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I deserve too be a mod.
I super promise that I will not allow my own bias, personal grudges or hate of Bottom Hat to get In the way, what what.
Vote me or whatever gets corruption in power these days.
Tara per
Out of this entire community, I am the most stable, I am the most understanding, I am the most, most.
I deserve too be a mod.
I super promise that I will not allow my own bias, personal grudges or hate of Bottom Hat to get In the way, what what.
Vote me or whatever gets corruption in power these days.
Tara per