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aRJay

aRJay
LumpTheNoLeggedDog said:
I guess Frontier fall under disrespectful type of a company, you can't trust.
All respectful companys have strict rules about their BGS (MMO, Free Roam, Open World.) endeavors.
I'm asking simple question...Where Frontier stand is on employees manipulating BGS ?
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There is one person trying to say Frontier are manipulating the situation, and everyone else who know about the BGS from years of playing saying nothing is happening.
It doesn't matter what Frontiers rules might or might not be seeing as the balance of information is saying that any manipulation happening is due to other players.
No conspiracy no hidden agenda just the game not doing what you want it to do.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
LumpTheNoLeggedDog said:
Regardless of all your info, I really would like to know where Frontiers stand is on employees manipulating BGS.
I want to go deeper in to this rabbet whole and find out, where is that damn rabbit hiding.
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I don't have time to read 5 pages of responses since I'm heading out the door to work in a minute, but I'll give you the short version that most don't understand, and even fewer would acknowledge.

FD manipulate the BGS overtly, all the time, and that's absolutely fine. They have to in order to progress things like CGs, core narrative, Thargoids, which factions appear in a newly founded system after a CG, etc. . Back in the day, a good deal of CGs were player-submitted, so it was quite literally a popularity contest to put together a CG for FD to run with. I'd personally love a Thargoid attack against my home system one day... but I know that's pretty unlikely. But other players have also said they'd hit the roof if FD attacked "their" systems unannounced with Thargoids.

And this is the kicker... although FD have acknowledged the growing player base who directly manipulate the BGS, the BGS does not exist to provide a group-vs-group strategic conflict game. That's what Powerplay is for. The BGS is, simply, the backdrop against which we all play. It has to be, otherwise FD cannot run any more narrative events. The fact we use it as a strategic game of chess is actually just a secondary effect, and FD have on many occasions said that if people played with the BGS effects at the forefront of their mind, they've done the BGS wrong... I think they've said that on three occasions now and are yet to directly contravene that.

Other posters already said that Sirius got three settlements because they're Odd settlements and that's the mechanics of any conflict... so that's your actual reason. As for this "rabbit hole", there's no consipracy or employee malice at the end of this. FD have to and do manipluate the BGS to drive their narrative focus, and that is absolutely not beholden to the activity of players. It's a fundamental piece to understanding the BGS and it's design decisions (and a big reason why we don't have "direct control" over factions like so many ask for).

EDIT: As for conspiracies about FD having a bias and railroading CG outcomes, which many have made mention of... that's a thing, but it's probably not intentional, and just a byproduct of bad design.

EDIT: And just to be clear, this isn't a suggestion FD randomly interject into random conflicts because "Oh, we want this random faction to win". Only that BGS manipulation as an activity outright does exist, and any "BGS Play" is secondary to that.
 
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LumpTheNoLeggedDog

LumpTheNoLeggedDog
Jmanis said:
I don't have time to read 5 pages of responses since I'm heading out the door to work in a minute, but I'll give you the short version that most don't understand, and even fewer would acknowledge.

FD manipulate the BGS overtly, all the time, and that's absolutely fine. They have to in order to progress things like CGs, core narrative, Thargoids, which factions appear in a newly founded system after a CG, etc. . Back in the day, a good deal of CGs were player-submitted, so it was quite literally a popularity contest to put together a CG for FD to run with. I'd personally love a Thargoid attack against my home system one day... but I know that's pretty unlikely. But other players have also said they'd hit the roof if FD attacked "their" systems unannounced with Thargoids.

And this is the kicker... although FD have acknowledged the growing player base who directly manipulate the BGS, the BGS does not exist to provide a group-vs-group strategic conflict game. That's what Powerplay is for. The BGS is, simply, the backdrop against which we all play. It has to be, otherwise FD cannot run any more narrative events. The fact we use it as a strategic game of chess is actually just a secondary effect, and FD have on many occasions said that if people played with the BGS effects at the forefront of their mind, they've done the BGS wrong... I think they've said that on three occasions now and are yet to directly contravene that.

Other posters already said that Sirius got three settlements because they're Odd settlements and that's the mechanics of any conflict... so that's your actual reason. As for this "rabbit hole", there's no consipracy or employee malice at the end of this. FD have to and do manipluate the BGS to drive their narrative focus, and that is absolutely not beholden to the activity of players. It's a fundamental piece to understanding the BGS and it's design decisions (and a big reason why we don't have "direct control" over factions like so many ask for).

EDIT: As for conspiracies about FD having a bias and railroading CG outcomes, which many have made mention of... that's a thing, but it's probably not intentional, and just a byproduct of bad design.

EDIT: And just to be clear, this isn't a suggestion FD randomly interject into random conflicts because "Oh, we want this random faction to win". Only that BGS manipulation as an activity outright does exist, and any "BGS Play" is secondary to that.
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Thank You for your input but you must understand one major fact. All oldschool players know and understand what Sirius and Old Worlds is/are and how both are a big part of Elite history in whole. At first when I saw Sirius inside Old Worlds I thought it is some kind of mistake. Maybe one of content creators made a boo...boo...and it will eventually be reverted.
This is not about CG or BGS, this is a principality of Elite game narrative. Sirius inside Old Worlds is equal to....lets say.....putting a Kremlin in the middle of Washington D.C.

edit...There are systems, right next to Old Worlds, literately 3-5 ly away. Why inside Old Worlds which is against Elite narrative.
 
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Bottom Hat

Bottom Hat
LumpTheNoLeggedDog said:
Thank You for your input but you must understand one major fact. All oldschool players know and understand what Sirius and Old Worlds is/are and how both are a big part of Elite history in whole. At first when I saw Sirius inside Old Worlds I thought it is some kind of mistake. Maybe one of content creators made a boo...boo...and it will eventually be reverted.
This is not about CG or BGS, this is a principality of Elite game narrative. Sirius inside Old Worlds is equal to....lets say.....putting a Kremlin in the middle of Washington D.C.
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I think you said you started playing for the old worlds 3 months ago, although I may have made that up; but what entitlement do you have over anyone else who plays the bgs?
 

LumpTheNoLeggedDog

LumpTheNoLeggedDog
Bottom Hat said:
I think you said you started playing for the old worlds 3 months ago, although I may have made that up; but what entitlement do you have over anyone else who plays the bgs?
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Around 3 months ago Sirius invasion of Old Worlds started. Before that I was all happy dog pising around other people backyards woof..woof.. now I have a freaking pitbull running around my home. Once again it is not really about BGS or CG but BGS is used to manipulate outcomes.
If we can't trust Frontier to run this game fair and square and even if they make a mistake and they fail to fix it and make it right, then...BGS is just a one big lie.
Maybe I'm taking it little too sirius ;) but this specific happening is exceptionally disturbing.
 
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LumpTheNoLeggedDog

LumpTheNoLeggedDog
Bottom Hat said:
I think you said you started playing for the old worlds 3 months ago, although I may have made that up; but what entitlement do you have over anyone else who plays the bgs?
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I don't do BGS, my owner assembled Old Worlds freedom fighters once we noticed Sirius is present in Old Worlds. WE ALL OLD SCHOOL PLAYERS KNOW, SIRIUS CAN'T BE PART OF OLD WORLDS !!!
 

LumpTheNoLeggedDog

LumpTheNoLeggedDog
[Diplomacy] Carnegie said:
Just a reminder that the 'BG' in 'BGS' stands for 'background'
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From now on it stands for BiGoS 1652225050724.png
 

myothershipisacobraiv

myothershipisacobraiv
Just suggesting a small potential silver lining. When Frontier is done with their arc, you may have an opportunity to achieve a decisive victory later on, in another arc supported by Frontier itself in exchange for your good graces up to now. Perhaps a Sirius position in your backyard is something Frontier intends permanently. In that case, there could be some kind of recompense.

My attitude is, play the role, fight the man, play an angry Old Worldser, but refrain from attacking Frontier. You don't make the game, and ultimately they can do whatever they want with it. Maybe you can change their minds. If so, well done, more power. If not, show some good graces, be a good sport and you might see a windfall out of it.
 

LumpTheNoLeggedDog

LumpTheNoLeggedDog
I want to know where Frontiers stand is on their employees manipulating the BGS ???
Seem like some employees are allowed to manipulate factions status in BGS to their liking because they are members of that faction or just doing a favor for a friend.
I would like to know how Frontier protects their customers from such fraudulent behavior.
 
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