thats what im talking about infomation kept until late as possible in development... but it wasnt was it the info was givin to us they showed of the visuals an plans an gave us a date for the update but days before update retracted both carriers and ice planets the 2 big sellers of the update.
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Viajero
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It is also isn't, from a financial POV, that relevant. If 4.0 is amazingly awesomesauce, people will buy it. No matter how disgruntled they are now, gamers will in the end typically just buy whatever they are excited about. On the other hand, if 4.0 is a major let down ("Our main new feature is CGs lasting twice as long!") it'll be a catastrophe no matter how hyped people were a year before launch. People (including me) want to know more, and know it sooner. But at the end of the day there isn't really any consequence to being silent, no matter how badly we pretend we can 'boycot' the game or 'tell all our friends to stay away'. They dont want our money now, so any hype now is worthless to a point.
And I am 100% confident that when FD is about to ask for our money they will absolutely let us know more.
Well, there is a consequence of not maintaining interest. Hard to quantify for us but probably the marketing and sales team at FDEV has an idea. Players who lose interest in the time leading to the new era may just drop the game altogether to not be seen ever again for example, whereas some sneak peeks here or there (or Interstellar Initiatives for example
) may keep that interest alive for enough time for that player to decide to buy the new era content once it is on sale etc. There is also the loss of potential cosmetic revenue from that player if he/she drops etc. And there is also the intangible of mouth to mouth, streamers and overall active population buzz, the higher the volume of that population the better the word on new content can spread and the more potential sales etc.So I would not say there is absolutely no consequences. Maybe the balance is tipped now more over restraint, but at some point too much restraint may actually hurt the long term.
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this is industry cookie cutter bollox, and we all (should) know it. with that clear, yeah, why not! let's be friends! thanks for the heads up!
Thanks for this paige, i guess i hadnt thought about the time you put into doing announcements and the benefits of doing it or not for features that may change.
I would love to see a horizons style roadmap where you just told us the name of the release or a headline feature like loot and crafting (engineers), multicrew and ship launched fighters.
It gave us a very basic overview of what was coming but i guess the fact that tied you guys down to those releases and looking at the flak you got for ice planets and fleet carriers i can see why you would be reluctant.
Hopefully you guys find something you are comfortable with sharing that gives us a hint but really appreciate you explaining your view to us!
Tbf, your implication that FDev left it to the last minute before Beyond 3.3 went live to inform us that two features were delayed from it, simply isn't true.
The Ice Planet tech was demoed at Lavecon in June 2018, then on 31st August FDev informed us that both Ice Planets and Fleet Carriers wouldn't be in the Beyond 3.3 update. Beyond 3.3 didn't arrive days later - it arrived on 5th Dec, over three months later.
Three months, for Frontier that sounds like 'soon'.
Surely that's a perfect example of why it ISN'T always productive to talk about things prematurely?
I don't doubt that, like anybody else, when a software developer has a good idea they probably want to talk about it - and when they've created something that appears to fulfil that idea they probably want to show that to people.
Trouble is, when they subsequently discover problems with the thing they've created, and realise there's more work ahead before that feature is ready for release, people moan about it.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm all for a bit of casual moaning to help remind FDev that there are things that need fixing and things that they've yet to deliver but it's a bit daft to act like you don't understand why delays happen.
Face it: you just don't like not getting what you want.
Well, there is a consequence of not maintaining interest. Hard to quantify for us but probably the marketing and sales team at FDEV has an idea. Players who lose interest in the time leading to the new era may just drop the game altogether to not be seen ever again for example, whereas some sneak peeks here or there (or Interstellar Initiatives for example
So I would not say there is absolutely no consequences. Maybe the balance is tipped now more over restraint, but at some point too much restraint may actually hurt the long term.
Good point. I think it could depend on the demographic. Older players who generally play more simulators would have a higher chance. Younger mainstream not a chance, there are too many aspects of elite that can be perceived as a negative that they would be reminded off and concluded as a pass. We all do that regularly I imagine.
I don’t think the astronomy people are going to leave
If Paige is still reading this thread, I wonder if it’s a considered fact within frontier that microtransaction sales are relatively low because they’re crap more than anything else? See swoon generating player designs that always trigger strong reactions of support
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Haven’t they all but announced space legs though? Some weird info leak with a stream of clues proving true feels very like the egg hunts they put in game.
A stretch I know but again I have strong confirmation bias for space legs
Yes. Game extras (cosmetics and other merchandise) generated only £4m of £22m total revenue last fiscal year.If Paige is still reading this thread, I wonder if it’s a considered fact within frontier that microtransaction sales are relatively low because they’re crap more than anything else? See swoon generating player designs that always trigger strong reactions of support
im so sick of this thread, its a troll and people keep feeding it
Not until 2020 the way it looks at the moment.
If Frontier are trying to quieten down the forum, ignore long term players pretty much and just keep things ticking over, then I think they're probably succeeding.
If it's now purely a business relationship, then I'm not going to be doing PR, marketing and beta testing at no cost to Frontier. They can fund, defend, promote and test their own product.
Sadly only. I'd like to spend more on game extras, but I can't find anything that appeals to me.
Look how emaciated it is though. Have you no pity?
Some people just like to hear themselves talk. Even if all they are spewing is garbage.
Never ceases to amaze at how "trolls" are always talking about the game yet white knights are instead attacking people.
However poorly worded, there's a greater potential for feedback to the game when the subject is the game.. rather than another forum goer making themselves feel better. Always amazing that people who talk about the game are the bad guys.
However poorly worded, there's a greater potential for feedback to the game when the subject is the game.. rather than another forum goer making themselves feel better. Always amazing that people who talk about the game are the bad guys.
I eventually realized this was normal when I had a discussion of checkers vs chess in a chess forum. You better believe there were more chess advocates. It's the same here TBH.
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