I was right, you were wrong

[-VR- Max Factor]

I'm correct, here is the quote:

Where does it say in that quote that they would be coming out in the first update after beyond?

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Except I said again and again I was not discussing that. So no I didn't take any bait. Thats wishful thinking on your part.

Yet you did.

Your test results were obviously in error or maybe you forgot the real results and made up some others.

Even if the tests were erronous (by multiple standard deviations), RL says otherwise.

I think that you should be the one doing that.

I asked again and again for your proof and you refused. Case closed I believe.

Proof that you discussed bugs? Follow the quotes, you have again forgotten.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Yet you did.

Nice try.

Even if the tests were erronous (by multiple standard deviations), RL says otherwise.

Not on this occasion.

Proof that you discussed bugs? Follow the quotes, you have again forgotten.

Link please. Provide the facts if you can.

 

[VR SenseiMatty]

Where does it say in that quote that they would be coming out in the first update after beyond?

Reprioritze definition:

To give renewed priority to; to re-establish (something or someone) as worthy of special attention.

Now I don't want to break the complete quote in pieces to analiyze the dialectic because the meaning to me is preatty obvious: "After Beyond, Fleet Carriers and Ice Planets will be the new high priority features".
Moreover you can't find any details about "new players experience", "advanced auto-docking computer" nor "supercruise assistant" in Zac's announcement so when they release things you were not aware of instead of things already declared it's normal to have doubts...

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Nice try.


Not on this occasion.


Link please. Provide the facts if you can.

I was right, you were wrong

I'm confident both carriers and improved planetary surfaces will arrive with 2020 update, it also allows time for GPUs to improve by then I'm not sure what to expect at this point... Wait, this thread is 15 pages long an I'm just now responding to a post on the first page. Well, no matter...

forums.frontier.co.uk

So yes, I was the one who remembered correctly.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Reprioritze definition:

Now I don't want to break the complete quote in pieces to analiyze the dialectic because the meaning to me is preatty obvious: "After Beyond, Fleet Carriers and Ice Planets will be the new high priority features".

I know what that means, but nothing there says it will come out in the first update after beyond and neither does repriotise means it will be the next priority. I never got the impression that would be the next update or priority myself and it looks like many others didn't either.

Moreover you can't find any details about "new players experience", "advanced auto-docking computer" nor "supercruise assistant" in Zac's announcement so when they release things you were not aware of instead of things already declared it's normal to have doubts...

Having doubts is fine, but stating those doubts as fact is wrong.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I was right, you were wrong

I'm confident both carriers and improved planetary surfaces will arrive with 2020 update, it also allows time for GPUs to improve by then I'm not sure what to expect at this point... Wait, this thread is 15 pages long an I'm just now responding to a post on the first page. Well, no matter...

forums.frontier.co.uk

So yes, I was the one who remembered correctly.

LOL, thanks for prooving my point. You replied to a conversation I was having with somebody else which had nothing to do with bugs. This is your reply:

And very buggy as well.

I said:

Got nothing to do with it.

Thankfully I haven't experienced any bugs apart from the FSS one that made the screen go weird. Thankfully thats fixed.

Then you replied:

If we are gonna talk about an update, let's talk about all of its characteristics.

That's irrelevant.

I was not talking about bugs in that original conversation. You started that and then I tried to end it as I was not interested in discussing bugs.

Jesus your memory is bad. I know what had happened, but you seem to have some serious issues remembering.

Case closed and thanks. I suggest you get yourself retested.

You do know that anyone can go and look at the history now. Not that most are bothered though.

 

[babelfisch]

I'm correct, here is the quote:

That doesn't mean it will come in the next update after Beyond at all.

 

[VR SenseiMatty]

I know what that means, but nothing there says it will come out in the first update after beyond and neither does repriotise means it will be the next priority. I never got the impression that would be the next update or priority myself and it looks like many others didn't either.
Having doubts is fine, but stating those doubts as fact is wrong.

If you read it as a lawyer you're right, but here I don't want to sue you anyone so I'm free to use my wisdom and read through the lines.
Zac knew he was giving a bad news to the community so he cheated trying to make it less bitter.
Cheating is appropriate in this case because he made believe us something without clearly saying it.

This is again the problem with FDEV, they're never transparent (as I said previously). He could've said the complete truth
"this task is huge and we still don't know when we can release it, but be sure that even after Beyond we will release more free QoL and new smaller feature to fill this gap".
A bitter pill to swallow, but at least that would have been the truth and now we wouldn't be here arguing and analyzing old FDEV messages.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

If you read it as a lawyer you're right, but here I don't want to sue you anyone so I'm free to use my wisdom and read through the lines.
Zac knew he was giving a bad news to the community so he cheated trying to make it less bitter.
Cheating is appropriate in this case because he made believe us something without clearly saying it.

No he didn't make anyone believe something without saying it. You assumed, you acted on that assumption, and you assumed incorrectly. That is not FDevs fault.

This is again the problem with FDEV, they're never transparent (as I said previously). He could've said the complete truth
"this task is huge and we still don't know when we can release it, but be sure that even after Beyond we will release more free QoL and new smaller feature to fill this gap".
A bitter pill to swallow, but at least that would have been the truth and now we wouldn't be here arguing and analyzing old FDEV messages.

I'm sorry, but I don't think this time its a problem with FDev. Sure they have been guilty of doing silly things and keeping things to themselves, but this time FDev did nothing wrong.

I sincerely hope that Fleet Carriers and the Ice planet upgrade will come before the next expansion but I am not assuming they will do. Hope yes, expect no.

 

[babelfisch]

If you read it as a lawyer you're right, but here I don't want to sue you anyone so I'm free to use my wisdom and read through the lines.
Zac knew he was giving a bad news to the community so he cheated trying to make it less bitter.
Cheating is appropriate in this case because he made believe us something without clearly saying it.

This is again the problem with FDEV, they're never transparent (as I said previously). He could've said the complete truth
"this task is huge and we still don't know when we can release it, but be sure that even after Beyond we will release more free QoL and new smaller feature to fill this gap".
A bitter pill to swallow, but at least that would have been the truth and now we wouldn't be here arguing and analyzing old FDEV messages.

Sorry but that's just nonsense. You wrongly assumed that fleet carriers will be part of the first update after Beyond while there was absolutely no indication for that. Quite the opposite, Frontier clearly said they don't know when or how fleet carriers will make it into the game. Don't blame someone else for your wrong expectations.

 

[VR SenseiMatty]

No he didn't make anyone believe something without saying it. You assumed, you acted on that assumption, and you assumed incorrectly. That is not FDevs fault.

That doesn't mean it will come in the next update after Beyond at all.

As I said above it does. Re-prioritize has a specific meaning, it's not generic. It implies a sequence. The sequence was not respected because other unannounced things were released before so the sequence has changed again.
Another definition to prove I'm right:

specifying the order in which jobs are to be processed, based on the allocation of priorities.

In fact I'm not talking about dates, but simple sequence of contents to be released.

 

[VR Golgot]

You really need to view my comments in context. It was in response to the suggestion of carriers being 2020. My own view is just that it's a failed deliverable.

Neil's post reads as more general to me, re 2020 being a statement of ongoing work etc.

But if you want to stick with the 'definitely cancelled' leanings of your OP, sure go for it. Seems an extreme reading of events, but whatevs.

 

[babelfisch]

As I said above it does. Re-prioritize has a specific meaning, it's not generic. It implies a sequence. The sequence was not respected because other unannounced things were released before so the sequence has changed again.

No, it doesn't. I just hope English is not your native language (it surely isn't mine, but I know how to read a dictionary):

reprioritize
Verb
(third-person singular simple present reprioritizes, present participle reprioritizing, simple past and past participle reprioritized)

1. To arrange things in a new order of importance; to prioritize again

It's a new order of importance. That doesn't mean it's the next thing, just that the order or sequence changed. If something gets reprioritized it could just as well become the thing with the least importance.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

As I said above it does. Re-prioritize has a specific meaning, it's not generic. It implies a sequence. The sequence was not respected because other unannounced things were released before so the sequence has changed again.

It means: to arrange things in a new order of importance

They decided that those were lesser parts of beyond and re-prioritised them to a later date. That is all. You are reading too much into it.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

LOL, thanks for prooving my point. You replied to a conversation I was having with somebody else which had nothing to do with bugs. This is your reply:



I said:


Then you replied:


I was not talking about bugs in that original conversation. You started that and then I tried to end it as I was not interested in discussing bugs.

Jesus your memory is bad. I know what had happened, but you seem to have some serious issues remembering.

Case closed and thanks. I suggest you get yourself retested.

You do know that anyone can go and look at the history now. Not that most are bothered though.

"Thankfully I haven't experienced any bugs apart from the FSS one that made the screen go weird. Thankfully thats fixed."

That's discussing bugs so you did take the bait...

 

[Shinji Ikari]

No, it doesn't. I just hope English is not your native language (it surely isn't mine, but I know how to read a dictionary):

reprioritize
Verb
(third-person singular simple present reprioritizes, present participle reprioritizing, simple past and past participle reprioritized)

1. To arrange things in a new order of importance; to prioritize again

It's a new order of importance. That doesn't mean it's the next thing, just that the order or sequence changed. If something gets reprioritized it could just as well become the thing with the least importance.

That's not the only definition:

prioritize
[ prahy-awr-i-tahyz, -or- ]SHOW IPA
WORD ORIGIN
verb (used with object), pri·or·i·tized, pri·or·i·tiz·ing.
to arrange or do in order of priority:learning to prioritize our assignments.
to give a high priority to.
verb (used without object), pri·or·i·tized, pri·or·i·tiz·ing.
to organize or deal with something according to its priority.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

"Thankfully I haven't experienced any bugs apart from the FSS one that made the screen go weird. Thankfully thats fixed."

That's discussing bugs so you did take the bait...

And then I ended it as I did not want to talk about them. Look at the history. You kept saying that I started talking about bugs, but it was you all along, the proof is right there in the posts. Really sad. You can't except when you are wrong.

I new what you were doing (baiting), I just played along with your silly game.

You are still doing it now. All I can say is, get a life.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

And then I ended it as did not want to talk about them. Look at the history. You kept saying that I started talking about bugs, but it was you all along, the proof is right there in the posts. Really sad. You can't except when you are wrong.

I new what you were doing, I just played along with your silly game.

Sorry, that quote is you talking bugs which is what I claimed you did, if not then what is it?

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

That's not the only definition:

prioritize
[ prahy-awr-i-tahyz, -or- ]SHOW IPA
WORD ORIGIN
verb (used with object), pri·or·i·tized, pri·or·i·tiz·ing.
to arrange or do in order of priority:learning to prioritize our assignments.
to give a high priority to.
verb (used without object), pri·or·i·tized, pri·or·i·tiz·ing.
to organize or deal with something according to its priority.

Well done. But that doesn't prove anything either.