If Combat Logging is a bad thing. Then why is it okay to attack a player faction without being seen?

[GreyAreaUK]

As long as "everyone else" plays the game the same way you do? Sorry, but those players are "everyone else", too. That's the problem with "everyone else" - it also includes people whose opinion (and playstyle, in this case) is different to yours.

And who appear to be the majority as well...

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

"Everyone else"?

One Dev has indicated that Frontier are "well aware" that the majority of players don't get involved in PvP.

While a majority of players would seem to play in Open, Sandro has indicated that both Solo and Private Groups have significant populations.

I was clearly talking about the engineers in this case you rabid fourm beast.

 

[WhoCares]

Put some defenses on those PVE ships and stop crying about getting attacked when your goal is to affect another player faction?

I guess my response would be to stop crying about engineers and go take part of that game like everyone else.

So effectively you want to tell them to play the game by your rules.
The rules are already set, and they are working for most, just not you, it seems...

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

So effectively you want to tell them to play the game by your rules.
The rules are already set, and they are working for most, just not you, it seems...

Engineers are balanced though.

For a while they were not. They got changed to what they are today.

Crazy concept. Change.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Engineers are balanced though.

For a while they were not. They got changed to what they are today.

Crazy concept. Change.

Ah. Have we arrived at the point in these arguments where you make grand predictions of the game being altered to your liking?

 

[Stewart_]

Because he wants to shoot more players.

Yup absolutely. That’s what it always comes down to in such topics.

These people are free to defend themselves via the BGS in the same way as the attacker...

 

[Marra Morgan]

Ah. Have we arrived at the point in these arguments where you make grand predictions of the game being altered to your liking?

We might as well cut to the chase

 

[Powderpanic]

Your tag line would be better changed to:

Powerpanic
The Voice of Trolling

You are missing the point SO hard... You sir are trolling.. Not I

Powerpanic
The Voice of Griefing

 

[WhoCares]

Yup absolutely. That’s what it always comes down to in such topics.

These people are free to defend themselves via the BGS in the same way as the attacker...

... or the defender, should them PvP champions choose to go on attack. How dare they...

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Yup absolutely. That’s what it always comes down to in such topics.

These people are free to defend themselves via the BGS in the same way as the attacker...

So I should never have the chance to stop you from UA bombing us? I have to go get meta allow because thats what you decided to do?

Seems pretty fair.

I do remember people losing their minds over UA bombing quit a bit.

Oh well,

D O U B L E S T A N D A R D S

 

[GreyAreaUK]

So I should never have the chance to stop you from UA bombing us? I have to go get meta allow because thats what you decided to do?

Seems pretty fair.

I do remember people losing their minds over UA bombing quit a bit.

Oh well,

D O U B L E S T A N D A R D S

*ticks UA bombing off list of repeats*

 

[M. Grey]

I still don't get how these 2 are related and how open only would stop someone from attacking a faction "unseen"...
What about different time zones?
What about different plattforms?
What if you've been blocked?
What about instancing?
And how will you know someone is not running missions for YOUR faction and just waiting to get killed?

 

[Stewart_]

If I’m on different gaming platform than You, then YOU personally can’t stop me UA bombing.

Even if I’m on the same hardware, and I’m not in the same instance, then YOU personally can’t stop me.

Edit: see M grey’s post too - posted around the same time.

So I should never have the chance to stop you from UA bombing us? I have to go get meta allow because thats what you decided to do?

Seems pretty fair.

I do remember people losing their minds over UA bombing quit a bit.

Oh well,

D O U B L E S T A N D A R D S

 

[Aashenfox]

I still don't get how these 2 are related and how open only would stop someone from attacking a faction "unseen"...
What about different time zones?
What about different plattforms?
What if you've been blocked?
What about instancing?
And how will you know someone is not running missions for YOUR faction and just waiting to get killed?

These are sticking points, but the OP has merit. We shouldn't avoid solving this problem just because it can be worked around in some cases. Platform is insurmountable for example, but I doubt many people would be dedicated enough to buy playstations and playstation accounts and play in that slightly more limited way, just in order to manipulate the BGS against PC players more easily.

Its another symptom of this game's halfway house between being a true mmo and a 'personal universe' game.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I still don't get how these 2 are related and how open only would stop someone from attacking a faction "unseen"...
What about different time zones?
What about different plattforms?
What if you've been blocked?
What about instancing?
And how will you know someone is not running missions for YOUR faction and just waiting to get killed?

24 Hours a Day, Player groups with 50 to over 500 players in a group. Really a moot point, Frontier wants to do the same with powerplay.

Go ask sandro about these questions about powerplay. Ill wait.

The same applies.

 

[Aashenfox]

If I’m on different gaming platform than You, then YOU personally can’t stop me UA bombing.

Even if I’m on the same hardware, and I’m not in the same instance, then YOU personally can’t stop me.

Edit: see M grey’s post too - posted around the same time.

Isn;t that kinda like saying 'we won't make cars that have safer collisions, because people are going ot have collisions anyway'... We don't avoid solving a problem just because the proposed solution doesn't catch edge cases, no? I'm not being facetious, I just don't see these as reasons not to make some effort to make it fairer.

 

[Stealthie]

Forum PvP!

Yay! \o/

 

[Robert Maynard]

We shouldn't avoid solving this problem just because it can be worked around in some cases.

Whether it is even a problem to be solved remains a matter of opinion.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It's not a problem.

 

[Aashenfox]

Whether it is even a problem to be solved remains a matter of opinion.

I would say it's definitely a problem that the meat of this game for long term players (BGS) is easily 'gamed', and the gamed faction can't do anything about it if the perpetrators are in solo.

How big a problem is definitely up for some debate. Should something be done to make it fairer? CAN something be done? I dunno, but to pretend that it's all good and working perfectly, is as as just as unrealistic as suggesting that the 'BGS should not be affected by actions in solo'.

I don't know what I'd do, but I wanted to point out that just because any potential change would not affect the cross platform problem, that wouldn't be a very good reason to therefore do nothing or ever try to make it 'fairer'.