If Combat Logging is a bad thing. Then why is it okay to attack a player faction without being seen?

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Making the BGS Open Only doesn't make it fair and balanced.

Murder will still be over-powered.
PvP will still have no positive effect on the BGS - it will continue to be nothing more than a deterrent and will remain avoidable by anyone who understands the game.

Campaigning to address either (or both) of those will get you a LOT of support, even from the anti-OOBGS crowd.
Everybody's game improves and everyone gets access to new gameplay. It's the Keelback thing again.

So if it went open only, and Id never see you anyways. Or, I wont ever be an impact trying to PVP you. Then lets go through with open only if all this is impossible.

You guys list every reason in the game why it wont work.

I think Frontier can make it work

And apparently they think the same thing about powerplay. Which is basically the same thing without crime and punishment. Especially with the added missions they were talking about.

 

[Backelaer]

No, hold that. If you think playing the bgs and PP are the same, we're quite done here.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

No, hold that. If you think playing the bgs and PP are the same, we're quite done here.

Is it player groups affecting other player groups?

Take 2 minutes and look at colonia Bud.

I suggest you try to understand the game. Whats in it. And what player groups are doing with each other.

 

[Captain Willard]

Because pew pew is not the answer to PP or the BGS, but keep on driving this message in till somebody else believes you ad nauseam. Liberate tuteme ex inferis.

 

[Mangal Oemie]

I don't want to change anyone's play style. Those who manipulate the BGS from solo change other players playstyle, byt forcing them to do certain gameplay to undo whatever has been done.
..

It's a shared and contested galaxy. If you don't like the gameplay that drives the BGS, maybe BSG play is not for you?

 

[_Flin_]

I suggest you try to understand the game. Whats in it. And what player groups are doing with each other.

How ironic.

You have some solution made up and try to rationalize that this fixes the nonexistant problem that you imagine. For post after post, thread after thread.

If you aren't able to play the BGS, it doesnt matter in which mode you are. And do you really think organized groups would care about you?

There'd be 2 lists for people like you.
1. A kill on sight list for the PvPers to ensure you do not interfere with the operation.
2. An ignore list so you dont get put into the same instange with people who do not PvP.

Just stop pretending the BGS is a nail just because you think you hold a hammer.

 

[WhoCares]

You know, you finally convinced me, it's unfair.

The BGS is meant to be equal across all platforms and modes, but alas, it is not.
Every player can influence the BGS as he deems best, and nobody can interfere with him while doing so. Except open! Should you meet him in open you can actually drive him off or straight away kill him! This seems to me an unfair advantage of the open mode over the others, and I consider a new campaign that FD shall remove open from BGS!

 

[Mangal Oemie]

So those who want to PvP should be forced to indulge in game mechanics they find tedious at best or loose thier territory?

.

If they want to play the BGS, they will need to do activities that affect the BGS: missions, trading, exploration, mining, CZ combat, bounty hunting, murder, smuggling, etc.

That is, just about every activity in the game, other than PvP.

Many BGS'ers have already agreed that some value to PvP actions could be an interesting addition. That still doesn't require Open BGS...

You can't win at chess by dropping a full house in Poker on the board.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

How ironic.

You have some solution made up and try to rationalize that this fixes the nonexistant problem that you imagine. For post after post, thread after thread.

If you aren't able to play the BGS, it doesnt matter in which mode you are. And do you really think organized groups would care about you?

There'd be 2 lists for people like you.
1. A kill on sight list for the PvPers to ensure you do not interfere with the operation.
2. An ignore list so you dont get put into the same instange with people who do not PvP.

Just stop pretending the BGS is a nail just because you think you hold a hammer.

lol. This is not rocket science dude.

If they can do it with powerplay. They can do it with player groups too. Asking to stop someones progression against you is not that bad of a change.

 

[Robert Maynard]

lol. This is not rocket science dude.

If they can do it with powerplay. They can do it with player groups too. Asking to stop someones progression against you is not that bad of a change.

At this stage it's still *if* they do it with PowerPlay - and then there's the inconvenient fact that it's not being considered for the BGS or anything else (per Sandro's statement).

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

At this stage it's still *if* they do it with PowerPlay - and then there's the inconvenient fact that it's not being considered for the BGS or anything else (per Sandro's statement).

I think it was pretty evident between zacs post and the latest development post with the new IP and widening the audience.

Looks like the whole game itself is about to change. Really not worried about it at this point. Seems like the whole game not just the BGS or powerplay is getting restructured. Including the graphics. All of it.

So its gonna be a interesting next couple of months to say the least. Bigger picture happening I believe. Just hope they dont make this same mistake twice.

 

[VR Murgle]

lol. This is not rocket science dude.

If they can do it with powerplay. They can do it with player groups too.

They suggested removing the Powerplay menu's from Solo and PG, removing anything from any mode is impossible.

Asking to stop someones progression against you is not that bad of a change.

Actually it would be bad simply because the "modes" don't really exist, they're merely filters that determine who you can and cannot get instanced with as such removing the BGS from solo and PG, and that's what you are essentially asking for, is impossible. The best they could do is remove menu access for all but Open but, and this seem to be what you lot don't seem to understand, remove the BGS from Solo and PG means removing ALL GAMEPLAY from those modes. Is that really what you want because I for one am not going to continue playing and more importantly paying when all I can do is fly around.

Oh also NPC's are also tied to the BGS so even killing those would somehow be disabled in Solo and PG, there will very literally be no game left.

Now don't get me wrong if FD separated the BGS into a PVP and a PVE mode I'm all for it, I for one am very curious to see how that would effect the PvP in this game but I'm willing to bet you won't like it.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I think it was pretty evident between zacs post and the latest development post with the new IP and widening the audience.

Looks like the whole game itself is about to change. Really not worried about it at this point. Seems like the whole game not just the BGS or powerplay is getting restructured. Including the graphics. All of it.

So its gonna be a interesting next couple of months to say the least. Bigger picture happening I believe. Just hope they dont make this same mistake twice.

Could you quote the relevant sections considered to support that position, please? (even links to the specific posts would be good).

.... so that the context in which Zac's comments were made is clear.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Could you quote the relevant sections considered to support that position, please? (even links to the specific posts would be good).

.... so that the context in which Zac's comments were made is clear.

I really dont feel like digging up comments at the moment for sources.

Over time various community managers talk about how the new content will be delivered and they are ready to talk about the model. Major changes to lighting and graphics they spoke about.

They are wanting to widen the audience. Make the game more accessible. So huge fundamental changes are incoming.

Also, they are being pretty vague about things. But one thing they arent vague about. Is huge fundamental changes are coming.

If you want to sources check some of Zac and Pauls replies. They are there, I promise. Just dont feel like digging atm.

I dont have this stuff on speed dial.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I really dont feel like digging up comments at the moment for sources.

Over time various community managers talk about how the new content will be delivered and they are ready to talk about the model. Major changes to lighting and graphics they spoke about.

They are wanting to widen the audience. Make the game more accessible. So huge fundamental changes are incoming.

Also, they are being pretty vague about things. But one thing they arent vague about. Is huge fundamental changes are coming.

If you want to sources check some of Zac and Pauls replies. They are there, I promise. Just dont feel like digging atm.

I dont have this stuff on speed dial.

Ok, thanks anyway.

As to widening the audience, I doubt that marginalising PvE players would actually widen the audience. Adding something for PvP players, on the other hand - that's a decent outcome for everyone.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Ok, thanks anyway.

As to widening the audience, I doubt that marginalising PvE players would actually widen the audience. Adding something for PvP players, on the other hand - that's a decent outcome for everyone.

I think it has more to do with how people obtain the game to even play it. If you get what I am saying.

Think Bigger than what we are talking about now.

Lol I think its irrelevant now : O

 

[Robert Maynard]

I think it has more to do with how people obtain the game to even play it. If you get what I am saying.

Think Bigger than what we are talking about now.

Lol I think its irrelevant now : O

Actually, no I don't - could you elaborate, please?

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Actually, no I don't - could you elaborate, please?

Ever played Mechwarrior or League of Legends? The launcher, the stores. All that stuff and everything that comes with it. As well as changes to the infrastructure of the whole game itself mechanics wise(this is in Zac's post for sure).

I guess we will find out after Beyond. But they did mention the Model and how the content will be delivered. So many changes coming its gonna make our heads spin.

I think its gonna get crazier than expected to be honest.

Edit: This is pure speculation based off what they said. Just trying to put 2 and 2 together. Its gonna be Major and not like these patches have been. And not like an expansion would be from the gist of it.

 

[SubitusNex]

Ever played Mechwarrior or League of Legends? The launcher, the stores. All that stuff and everything that comes with it. As well as changes to the infrastructure of the whole game itself mechanics wise(this is in Zac's post for sure).

I guess we will find out after Beyond. But they did mention the Model and how the content will be delivered. So many changes coming its gonna make out heads spin.

I think its gonna get crazier than expected to be honest.

You seem to be extrapolating a lot of conjecture from very little evidence. I still remember when people did the same not so long ago and thought an Elite movie was complete ng and it turned out it was a jurassic park game.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

You seem to be extrapolating a lot of conjecture from very little evidence. I still remember when people did the same not so long ago and thought an Elite movie was complete ng and it turned out it was a jurassic park game.

For sure, and you're not wrong.

This is what they get for being so damn vague with information. They seem to be excited enough to share a bit with us. Almost as if they cant contain themselves. They wanna tell us. But know they cant.

They are letting little Memes out though. They are giving us hints.