If someone from Fdev streams themselves unlocking all the Guardian tech. I will eat my eye patch.

[Punished Mobius]

I've done it without the streaming. Some screen shots though, works out at about five hours for the blue prints if you are willing to min-max it.

I am under the impression you are full of it. Like I said I don't think you are a liar specifically but you sure are avoiding posting your logs of the grind.

Post your Cmdrs Logs and let us see the actual time passed without your bias.

You have the opportunity to do so and prove yourself "right" why would you not?

Stop hiding behind your Russian act and bring the people the truth. Im tired of your contrarianism without any substance.

And don't give me any nonsense about peer review. Or any other excuse. Your "findings" are worthless if you refuse to post them.

And if you don't have something meaningful to say to this. Don't. Just post the logs they should do all the talking for you.

 

[EUS]

This topic is being sidelined/dereailed, it's not about players doing this, it's about the developers playing the game they make. Playing it in full, so they understand and have context to the critiques being made.
I couldn't care less how many players have played, or for how long, and it detracts form the point of this thread.

 

[Punished Mobius]

This topic is being sidelined, it's not about players doing this, it's about the developers playing the game they make. Playing it in full, so they understand and have context to the critiques being made.
I couldn't care less how many players have played, or for how long, and it detracts form the point of this thread.

But the ball is in their court right now.

 

[RidingTheFlow]

But the ball is in their court right now.

You have them to acknowledge the ball and the court first - because they still pretend they just don't exist

 

[VR Jay Le Chardon]

Ninety three pages of folk baying to see a one eyed pirate eat his won eye patch after watching some poor sacrificial lackey from FDev grinding out guardian unlocks in what will be such a yawn fest of a stream the aforementioned pirate will most likely want to poke out his other eye rather than watch any more...

And nothing happened...!

[video=youtube;TxbIU0X-lCI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxbIU0X-lCI[/video]

 

[Old Duck]

This topic is being sidelined/dereailed, it's not about players doing this, it's about the developers playing the game they make.

Speaking of, any word on this? I stepped away from the thread for awhile, and being too lazy to read every post I missed, I have no idea if Frontier ever acknowledged the original OP or not.

 

[EUS]

When you go to the topics page, you can click on "frontier" which takes you tho FD posts for the topic, since there's only 2, there's been no acknowledgement.

 

[Vardaugas]

You have them to acknowledge the ball and the court first - because they still pretend they just don't exist

You'd have to convince them that it's actually a ball, not a bomb and a court, not a caustic cesspit of vitriol and it's about them playing their game and not your game.

 

[RidingTheFlow]

... and it's about them playing their game and not your game.

Huh? I thought it was all about them playing their game

(sorry can't resist)

 

[Stigbob]

I am under the impression you are full of it. Like I said I don't think you are a liar specifically but you sure are avoiding posting your logs of the grind.

Post your Cmdrs Logs and let us see the actual time passed without your bias.

You have the opportunity to do so and prove yourself "right" why would you not?

Stop hiding behind your Russian act and bring the people the truth. Im tired of your contrarianism without any substance.

And don't give me any nonsense about peer review. Or any other excuse. Your "findings" are worthless if you refuse to post them.

And if you don't have something meaningful to say to this. Don't. Just post the logs they should do all the talking for you.

There's a really simple answer to that one mate, I don't like the way you've asked and there's been a lot of totally unnecessary personal attacks.

So ask yourself the question if you were me would you provide anything to people who both insult you and don't seem to understand the value of asking nicely (this is probably the reason the dev's are ignoring this thread).

I might stick up some more screen shots from outfitting and of the weapons in action but that's all you'll get, as for my timings feel free to dispute any of them I'll just prove you wrong again.

 

[Punished Mobius]

There's a really simple answer to that one mate, I don't like the way you've asked and there's been a lot of totally unnecessary personal attacks.

So ask yourself the question if you were me would you provide anything to people who both insult you and don't seem to understand the value of asking nicely (this is probably the reason the dev's are ignoring this thread).

I might stick up some more screen shots from outfitting and of the weapons in action but that's all you'll get, as for my timings feel free to dispute any of them I'll just prove you wrong again.

You have proven nothing. And you have nothing to provide except for your logs. Which you seem to be unwilling to do despite being asked very nicely some time ago... So don't play that angle either. I'm sorry if you are so thin skinned as to see me calling you on your biowaste in this situation as a personal attack. But if you want to help than help. Post the logs because there is nothing of value in screenshots or your stories. And you know that.

 

[RidingTheFlow]

I have no idea about guardian stuff and which claims are true, but I tend to agree that you should walk the walk if you talk the talk...

 

[Mengy]

There's a really simple answer to that one mate, I don't like the way you've asked and there's been a lot of totally unnecessary personal attacks.

So ask yourself the question if you were me would you provide anything to people who both insult you and don't seem to understand the value of asking nicely (this is probably the reason the dev's are ignoring this thread).

Yes, yes I would.

If I had evidence to back up such a claim then yes I'd provide it, in the hopes of showing that the grind actually wasn't so bad.

My hunch is that the devs aren't ignoring it due to the tone, they are ignoring it because the premise is correct and they do not have a positive way to spin it.

I also believe you won't post your logs because, similarly, they wouldn't support your premise that the content is not as grindy as the majority claims it to be. You say it isn't so bad yet are reluctant to supply the proof you actually have to support your claim, so either you are being uncooperative just to spite everyone, or your position is not as sure footed as you would like it to be.

Good day, comrade.

 

[Stigbob]

You have proven nothing. And you have nothing to provide except for your logs. Which you seem to be unwilling to do despite being asked very nicely some time ago... So don't play that angle either. I'm sorry if you are so thin skinned as to see me calling you on your biowaste in this situation as a personal attack. But if you want to help than help. Post the logs because there is nothing of value in screenshots or your stories. And you know that.

You are not getting the logs, and you should stop asking for them. I wasn't talking about you for personal attacks, but as I said I don't like the way you asked.

I've posted a breakdown of the timings feel free to dispute any part or all of it.

Yes, yes I would.

If I had evidence to back up such a claim then yes I'd provide it, in the hopes of showing that the grind actually wasn't so bad.

My hunch is that the devs aren't ignoring it due to the tone, they are ignoring it because the premise is correct and they do not have a positive way to spin it.

I also believe you won't post your logs because, similarly, they wouldn't support your premise that the content is not as grindy as the majority claims it to be. You say it isn't so bad yet are reluctant to supply the proof you actually have to support your claim, so either you are being uncooperative just to spite everyone, or your position is not as sure footed as you would like it to be.

Good day, comrade.

I've already posted a breakdown of timings feel free to dispute any of it.

Here they are if you want to have at it :

Spoiler

You can collect guardian data at the rate of about 2 or 3 an hour by visiting different sites. Whilst fighting sentinels you will get all the other mats you need, if not they rain down from the structures if you shoot them. I also tried out relogging to see what the timings were like for that, and it's 6-8 minutes per run but it's a bit samey for me.

The thread are complaining about needing 22 data things from the structures so this is the realistic timings for that worked out from the unlocks I've done, and how long they took.

25 minutes to the region (about 1000 ly)
5 minutes in SC to planet
5 minutes aerial survey to learn pylon locations
15 minutes change of location wep/mod structure
10 minutes per data run (this is over the top 6-8 is closer) 22 times 220 minutes total
25 minutes return

295 minutes

Just under five hours for all the blueprints and guardian mats required for the threads demands, if you min-max it.

Longer if you don't min-max I spent probably 6-8 hours in game unlocking all the weapons I'll use, but I was happy to get distracted and mess around. ​

 

[Vedmo]

I've unlocked the plasma launcher and guass cannon now (12 blue prints). For the first 8 I spent about 2 hours getting to a site and learning the route (also did some rockhounding after I picked up some metallic meteorite blips on the scanner) and logged out there with 4 blueprints in the hold. I got four more the next day in less than an hour (lunch break).

Took a while before I had any desire to do it again, but flew to same site, got 4 blueprints, and returned to bubble in under 2 hours. And I'm not a time/reward min/max-er.

I'm not a fan of relogging and repeating the same site, don't get me wrong, but this notion it can't be done in a few hours a pop is absurd. I also find it humorous things like Dav's hope and Gold rushes are heralded, while being just as much of a thoughtless grind.

 

[Punished Mobius]

We are disputing them. That is exactly what we are doing. A great job of it as well. And you are not doing anything to defend them either. You are hiding behind your feelings as an excuse not to prove yourself wrong (or right) by posting your own damning logs.

So until you prove otherwise I am considering you to be untruthful on this topic. And I do want you to consider that as a sort of personal thing Ok? If you had actually made the time that you did you would love to prove me/us wrong and post it. But I don't think that you can. I know that you can't.

You took it upon yourself to do this and yet you are just going to let your actual findings go to waste all because of your personal bias in the matter. You may think it was 5 hours. You truly may think that. That's fine. But I don't think your logs will say the same thing.

And putting aside the time focused aspect of it. Its not good game play. Whether it is 5, 11 or even just 1 hour it doesn't matter as long as the content still sucks.

 

[Stigbob]

We are disputing them. That is exactly what we are doing. A great job of it as well. And you are not doing anything to defend them either. You are hiding behind your feelings as an excuse not to prove yourself wrong (or right) by posting your own damning logs.

So until you prove otherwise I am considering you to be untruthful on this topic. And I do want you to consider that as a sort of personal thing Ok? If you had actually made the time that you did you would love to prove me/us wrong and post it. But I don't think that you can. I know that you can't.

You took it upon yourself to do this and yet you are just going to let your actual findings go to waste all because of your personal bias in the matter. You may think it was 5 hours. You truly may think that. That's fine. But I don't think your logs will say the same thing.

I've already proven you wrong here it is.

25 minutes to the region (about 1000 ly)

5 minutes in SC to planet​

5 minutes aerial survey to learn pylon locations​

15 minutes change of location wep/mod structures​

10 minutes per data run (this is over the top 6-8 is closer) 22 times 220 minutes total
25 minutes return

295 minutes
​

You won't get the logs.
​

 

[DocPossible]

Well this thread went weird all of a sudden.

What am I talking about? It's been weird all the way through......

 

[Punished Mobius]

I've already proven you wrong here it is.

25 minutes to the region (about 1000 ly)

5 minutes in SC to planet​

5 minutes aerial survey to learn pylon locations​

15 minutes change of location wep/mod structures​

10 minutes per data run (this is over the top 6-8 is closer) 22 times 220 minutes total
25 minutes return

295 minutes
​

You won't get the logs.
​

Because the logs will tell a different story...

You have proven nothing.

You have the opportunity to do so right in front of you though. I know I am not the only one bewildered as to why you would rather talk than let it talk for you?

Could post the logs could have hit record on your game play. But no you would rather talk.

 

[Stigbob]

Because the logs will tell a different story...

You have proven nothing.

You have the opportunity to do so right in front of you though. I know I am not the only one bewildered as to why you would rather talk than let it talk for you?

The numbers are right there, try to dispute any of it.

But stop asking for the logs.