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I'd be cool with 'open only' if it was incentive for console VR 
If you want more people in Open, the best way to accomplish it are QOL features to make Open more desirable.
- Thread starter DemiserofD
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I'm sorry, but your arguments are so incoherent it's difficult to get what you're even trying to say.
Piracy, for example, was never even mentioned in any way, shape, or form, yet you keep bringing it up for no reason.
Until you start to keep your comments on topic and relevant to the discussion at hand, I don't see any reason to spam up the thread debating irrelevant side issues with you.
Be better.
There are ways to achieve this and still keep attractive elements for other types of players. In fact, creating city-state-like groups is an excellent way to make the galaxy more threatening. As-is, the only dangerous areas are the engineering areas; it would be far more entertaining and dangerous if there were discrete zones where members of one group might fear going due to the presence of a different group.
I don't expect players to suddenly switch over to Open all the time. It's mainly a way of expanding the fun aspects of meeting new friendly players. They'll switch over to do a few wing missions together, then one gets tired or bored and logs off, and the others might go back to solo. Alternatively, if well enough implemented, you could keep a constant rotation of four wingmates playing together for protracted periods of time.
The point is, it gets these players together.
Robert Maynard
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Which can happen in Private Groups as well as in Open.
Yeah you are missing the point entierly as to why people play in solo and PG.
People dont play in open because they dont wanna deal with PVP. The most popular PG is mobius PVE, which specifically was made for players who dont want ot deal with pvp.
What you are suggesting, is not the cause for people going to PG and Solo.
People dont play in open because they dont wanna deal with PVP. The most popular PG is mobius PVE, which specifically was made for players who dont want ot deal with pvp.
What you are suggesting, is not the cause for people going to PG and Solo.
Well more ways to do co-op play would enliven both PG's and Open. Sadly most easy way to affect other players is blasting them with weapons.
Then use your brain a bit. The point was that people don't like open because of interaction, not because they can't talk to people.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
I expect the lack of desire to play in Open stems from particular forms of interaction on offer in Open - as Private groups seem to be quite popular.
Pretty much, 9/10 interactions that would involve a player is going to be getting shot at, or shooting.
Really the only other option is talking to people in system chat while mining....wooooooo.
Now how to get an ACTUAL way to get people to join open? Give us a player trading system and a player run/living market along with crafting of new modules and hardpoints that can only be built, that need special materials that only players can harvest/gather, and can only be sold to other players.
THEN you have a reason to be in open for things other then getting shot at.
This is what I'm talking about with piracy as the example. Piracy requires trust, and for some people they'll never give it no matter what comms tools you have- even if you had a way to tell true pirates from killers I suspect a majority would still not swap modes. Its why I see this suggestion only benefiting people already in the mode and not attracting more to it.
Basically. The only way non open players will come over to open, is we basically have to have a reason to want to interact with other players, other then just shooting each other, or shooting with each other at other ships.
The benefits to playing with other people right now, are so low, its not worth bothering with.
Even that is debatable, because if the only benefit to it is, i get to talk to people and shoot guns with them, while the negative is i can get shot at and killed and have to deal with that. Then no, you wont see more people in open.
Because again, it goes back to the same issue, players gain no actual benefit from playing in open, but the stand to gain far greater annoyances.
I have a couple of friends I'll play with on occasion, they have no desire to play in open, not because they are 'afraid' to lose ships but just because they have no wish to waste their valuable leisure time due to interruptions by random strangers... (these players have been in the gaem longer than I)
I have spent the majority of my play time in open - it isn't really any different than PG mostly and we all know where the hotspots will be, at any given time, where players will congregate if their company is desired.
These days even 'sociable' me sees more time spent in PG's than open, if only because I don't wish to have my time wasted either, I leave the shenanigans to those who want and enjoy it. This is perhaps the best feature of the game - being able to choose when to be sociable, or otherwise.
As for bringing more players into open, why bother? It isn't particulary 'special' no matter how it is gift-wrapped, those who wish to will do - but I'd imagine that many players do the same as I do, pick a mode according to mood - although I could be wrong
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Especially as stations are expected to be (by me at least, given what has been said by Frontier) no-weapons zones.
All that's required is the inclination.
Piracy, and its less "noble" alternative: Ganking are precisely the point. I can already have all the social interaction necessary via the existing chat or coms. Its not that many additional steps to wing up or switch to PG and wing-up. Certainly no harder than forming a group for WoW heroic circa Burning Crusades. Sure, you could make that social interaction easier, but you haven't addressed the reason people avoid open in the first place: Piracy and Ganking. Better C&P plus a piracy career-path that disincentives killing targets that "cooperate" are step #1.
Piracy is not a problem, problem is that it is very very hard to distinquish honest pirate from ganker.
Beating a dead horse, sure, but lack of balance between ships and player skill, and the fact that playing in open too often means being cannon fodder to gankers is detrimental to playing in open. And aside from this, it's far too difficult to find multiplayer gameplay in ED.
Call me casual, suggest me to git gud, whatever. Other multiplayer games are superior to ED, both in cooperative and competive gameplay. I wish FDev acknowledged the fundamental issues with ED multiplayer and then try to fix them.
Call me casual, suggest me to git gud, whatever. Other multiplayer games are superior to ED, both in cooperative and competive gameplay. I wish FDev acknowledged the fundamental issues with ED multiplayer and then try to fix them.
I agree that these two should be the opposing sides of the same coin, as it were. Even as a goody-two shoes I’d love to see a proper career path for those who aim to misbehave, buffing smuggling earnings would be a start, as I see black market trading as more ‘characterful’ than profitable with that ‘orrible generic ‘stolen’ goods tag and debuff (bug or intended? You decide!). The only reason I pick up ‘stolen’ goods at signal sources is if I want to feel slightly naughty and get told off by the flight controller for docking while running silent.
As for piracy, I’m quite fond of the idea of supporting the independent entrepreneurs of the galaxy so if anyone ever sees me hauling in Open I’ll reward you for following an interdiction with a demand rather than hardpoints by donating a fair portion of whatever goodies I’ve got in the cargo racks, happily!