It was a simple question about risk.
The only risk is what you do and how you do it.
People vote when they click Open or Solo/PG, or when they combat log (in some ways). This is what the thread is about - lack of proper PvP mostly because people don't want it.
And yet I'm told Open is the most popular mode.
Or fly in Solo or PG and the problem stops.
I wish people would really if they don't want to be pirated, attacked etc.
It's all OK. Killing in the game is OK. As I said, it's not about right or wrong, but desirable and undesirable. People don't CL because it's wrong to kill them, but because they don't want to be killed. I don't falsely equate not wanting to lose your ship to it being wrong to kill another player. I just observe that many players avoid that scenario since they don't enjoy it, win or lose.
And ordinarily I'd agree, but when it comes to piracy, Powerplay or missions other things depend on that interaction playing out- why consequences need to happen otherwise that interaction is pointless.
So? That's a convenient distinction. If the game has poor design choices for mat gatherers and miners and mission board hoppers, why does that magically resolve with unwanted PvP?
Well, its
is a distinction, like I said above, the outcome of Dav is
you gaining something, while someone escaping a pirate or Powerplay rival affects the BGS / PP. If logging for mats affected other players or the BGS directly I'd agree but it does not.
How is that working for you?
When people realise there is a message box, it works- it has to be short because I don't use a macro to send elaborate messages.
Again, blame the equal and opposite reaction. Unwanted gank, unwanted combat log. Must be the combat log that's the problem because the box says I can kill you at my leisure. The box doesn't say the other person will play along. I don't agree with combat logging. If you're going to play in Open, you have to accept the consequences. Therefore many do not play in Open because they also don't agree with combat logging OR they simply don't see any entertainment value in providing you content.. again, what's in it for them? Certainly not entertaining based on your cardboard approach, cargo or die.
The 'fun' comes from actually being pirated by a ship thats not constrained by the limited AI in the game currently. It can't intelligently look for people, be inventive. If you want to face off against real danger, then its for you. But if not, trade or mine in a mode that has that level of pirate. RP is fun until it gets in the way of the actual doing.
If there was no onward consequence then I'd be less rankled, for example 1 on 1 PvP arena fights because its over nothing, its clear who won and who capitulated. But its not like that, because piracy is a valid career and players often have the best stuff, so its natural in Open to gravitate towards other players who gain very, very quickly in comparison. I find it funny that a LTD miner won't give up 10 diamonds from 700 and will log, rather than actually play along- it says a lot about 'role play' even when you do it.
The pirates don't have to be pirates. If a miner was struggling, someone would suggest they do something else. For some reason a pirate is exempt from that.
Then there is no game really. All we have is mine > get ships > fool about. All the guff about a living galaxy is rubbish, because it does not have moving parts that live- just abstractions. If there was less fooling about and actual roles for criminal as well as legit pilots, you'd have less griefing.
The problem is that it's really really difficult to discern ganker from griefer while you are being interdicted. Everything else is just cause and effect. In Solo, you don't have to decide, it's always a ganker. I like gankers, don't care for griefers. It's well know many here and there routinely flip flop between the two, some even stream it.
How much space is inside a combat fit FdL? Where are you? What are you doing? I'd say in about 50% of cases you can cold read them apart quite easily. The radar and SC scanning is not a toy, its a vital tool that I think a lot of people forget about.
I don't care if gankers are bored. They cannot get to Solo or PG. I'd like everyone to play in the same instance and have a real set of relationships and meaningful actions and consequences, but we know better.
And if you read my responses from yesterday I outlined how that might happen- but there has to be consequences even in your vision otherwise playing in the same instance is make believe.
