You do get that drug dealers use lies and coercion to hook vulnerable people to become dependent, don't you? Having given out methadone to addicts and having to ensure they swallow the drug (so they don't spit it out and sell it) to wean them I'd be careful saying drugs are a choice, because after a while they are not.
Imperial Slaves - A Proposition
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The discussion is simply OP stating their opinion on something that exists and bothers them in the game. If you choose to debate slavery I'm all for it but I can't validate your argument that slavery in game is ok because there's other bad stuff in game (not a quote but my summation). Whether you condone it or not, you are in effect arguing FOR slavery since you choose to discredit anyone arguing the contrary. So if it is just a game, why do you support slavery in the game?
You avoided my questions after I so politely answered yours.
(also someone did mention the Thargoids)
Forget the drugs and violence, this discussion was started about the morality of slavery in game. If you have a point to make then make it but simply saying...slavery ok because other bad stuff ok...is rubbish and we need to stay on topic as we have no moderators.
Just noticed the moderating in language. lol I didn't say "rubbish"
Kinda like it though
Just noticed the moderating in language. lol I didn't say "rubbish"
Kinda like it though
The game's lore is based on a dystopian future, and as such, its no surprise slavery exists. (edit: typo)
Dystopian settings do tend to make fertile grounds for stories as well. Look at the classics such as 1984, We, Brave New World, in all those people are effectively slaves, just in different ways. In Brave New World for example, people have very "nice" lives, but they are still slaves to the state and their genetics. If you are a gamma you're stuck in a life of menial work with no ability to change anything.
Dystopian settings do tend to make fertile grounds for stories as well. Look at the classics such as 1984, We, Brave New World, in all those people are effectively slaves, just in different ways. In Brave New World for example, people have very "nice" lives, but they are still slaves to the state and their genetics. If you are a gamma you're stuck in a life of menial work with no ability to change anything.
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They could remove 100% of the lore and I wouldn't bat an eye if im honest, I don't play Elite to follow its text based storylines.
If they were to start a series of CG's or discussions to remove slavery from the empire then yea sure I can always get on-board with a CG as long as its not combat.
No. This is your problem.
The game, with emphasis on game, is putting the player in a dystopian society and is confronting him with some evils, maybe with not exactly the best implementation ever, but that's not exactly the point.
It's your choice how to deal with evil. If you want to engage in a life of crime, you can. If you want to fight crime, you can . It you want to play a saint, you can do that too.
For example, I never got involved in slave trading of any type and i usually play a good natured character living on the right side of the law
As a result, i might get a fine here and there for grazing a ship or for some contraband, but i don't do terrorism (massacre civilians and other wetwork missions with similar outcome), i refrain from murdering clean ships and generally speaking from any activities that would incur bounties.
I do get involved in wars and in massacre pirates missions, so i do murders, but they're sanctioned murders within the game context and i can live with that.
However the game does not force anyone into any evil type of activity - you can play the game (with some limitations) without firing a single shot.
You can play the game totally severing your ties with the human civilization - the starter sidewinder is good enough - just fit some A rated FSD and head towards the center of the galaxy - there are hundreds of billions of stars waiting to be discovered and you can do that the very moment you leave the starting systems.
What i find disturbing is that your moral compass seem to be very erect when it comes to slavery, but it starts to bend when it comes about murder - which for me is the ultimate evil since it's... well... definitive
Players can only marginally involve in slavery and cannot be slave owners.
On the other side players can get directly involved in missions to massacre innocent civilians for the purpose of spreading terror.
AkA Terrorism. And this does not seem to bother you.
But yes, diversity - and i'm ok with this. You are bothered by slavery, i am bothered by terrorism and i read that others were bothered by animal meat.
Just don't ask for game changes to suit your sensibilities pretty much the same way i dont ask FD to remove terrorism (and crime generally speaking) to transform ED universe into a pastoral universe.
It's a cutthroat galaxy out there, definitely not a pastoral idyllic one.
If you cannot really cope with it, it is better to find some other game to play, but let ED be ED and not Friendship is Magic
I think the inherent flaw here is our community is in large, unwilling to make a change. For whatever reasons personal or collective, this community seems ok with the current state of affairs around this subject. I will not say it is condoned as that just seems to raise further debate.
I find this perplexing, we as a community are unwilling to change the status of this subject but are not at fault and in no way condone it.
I find this perplexing, we as a community are unwilling to change the status of this subject but are not at fault and in no way condone it.
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Oh bless you are adorable.
And the distinction made between those works of fiction and this work of fiction is that in those works of fiction, you are given the opportunity to experience in detail the horror and suffering of those existences and can make a properly informed moral judgement on those issues. In this work of fiction, there is no horror, only squeaky clean profit and a treadmill of repetitive practice that positively reinforces the adrenaline rush and big credits associated with being a slave trader.
There are lots of changes people want. I'd hazard a guess that most players want changes. Just that they don't want certain things to change because they are fine with those aspects.
The problem with threads like this is when people make the assumption that others want the same as them and then are surprised when people don't agree.
Sounds like the voice of experience
I’ll have to take your word for it, since my character has not and will not engage in the trafficking of human cargo. I’d rather just blow them up and get my adrenaline hit from watching the pretty space kablammos.I really am.
Well, just don't do this - i mean the timeline between 8 Jun 3305 and 30 Jul 3305
Unchain
Unchain is an international charity dedicating to abolishing all forms of slavery, including both illegal slavery and Imperial Slavery, throughout the galaxy. It was formed on June 13, 3304, when Princess Aisling Duval's Empire-based charity Stop Slavery Stupid merged with Universal Liberty, an...
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Sounds like the voice of experience
I'm personally more of a fan of the endorphin rush I get from handing in 192 ton of painite to a station but different strokes....
My experience is derived from watching youtube videos on how to be an excellent slave trader. As previously mentioned, I don't trade in illegal goods in the game. Or RL, if that needed to be said.Sounds like the voice of experience
Why shouldn't I? For the same reason I support any other dark playstyle - because it's only a game and it makes it more interesting and immersive.
If I were you, instead of ranting about imaginary slavery in a video game, I would donate to Anti-Slavery Organisations and do other things to help victims in real life. But no, "Remove slavery from this video game, I FeEl OfFeNdEd!!!"
If you consider slavery to be a problem to the point where it needs to be censored from video games, why not make a difference and do something about it in real life? You're not helping those 40+ million people by acting offended because the concept exists in video games.
So it’s Youtube content creators who at are fault really? I always knew they were evil...
Because that requires a genuine effort and not just a forum post in a game or a tweet.
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