I'm not following you with those quotes, you sure you got the right ones? First one actually has Michael saying 'None are planned at the moment' in direct reference to different perks in the different modes...the second quote..huh? And the 3rd quote doesn't actually apply, sadly David isn't always up to date on what's going on in the game, I think most of us are aware of that too.
(info) First bonus for playing in OPEN under consideration for PP
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I'm not following you with those quotes, you sure you got the right ones? First one actually has Michael saying 'None are planned at the moment' in direct reference to different perks in the different modes...the second quote..huh? And the 3rd quote doesn't actually apply, sadly David isn't always up to date on what's going on in the game, I think most of us are aware of that too.
And that simply shows the problem, as so many of us keep pointing out, Solo/Group have an advantage over Open for PP, everyone who does PP is aware of this, FD knows it, this isn't a secret or something only a few select people know, there's entire threads on it here and on reddit.
2 solutions, Sandro offered one, Open PP gets modification that gives the PP Power more from the actions of the players in Open. Not my preferred method of dealing with this issue, but it will do the job none the less. The PLAYERS aren't getting anything in Open that the players in Solo/Group don't get, it's balanced.
My preferred solution, remove PP from any mode but Open, but that's not going to happen, just look at how people react to the thought of making PP balanced as it stands, there's no way they'll go for removing it from anything but Open, they want their cake, they want to it eat, and they don't want to get fat OR get diabetes from it either.
Sandro talked about giving a bomus to one mode - quote 1 is his boss saying otherwise.
No idea why the 2nd was in there... had the links grouped up for a while.... so just ignore it, will need to remove it or move it from my other post where it is stored.
3rd is saying there is balance, solo players balance solo players...... and as Frontier are the only people who have the numbers, you'll have to take their word for it.
This whole "David isn't up to date...." is a load of tosh, you have no proof there is an imbalance caused by the mode system - no players have any information, stating that Frontier don't know what is going on makes you look daft.
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There is an imbalance between every mode and Open, whenever there is a popular 'thing' occurring. What makes PP so special? If it's so special then why aren't the other issues between open and other modes going to be addressed. It's the same mechanic whether the BGS, CG's, or PP are being addressed....player interactions reduce the effectiveness of Open. Fix it all or leave it alone.
Sorry, but what part of "Fix the game" did you not understand?
All I'm saying is incentives are bad.
Fix it first, add incentives later if you must but I think you'll find they won't be well received.
This game was never designed to be solely multiplayer focused.
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And Michael's quote 'None are planned at the moment' shows they may come LATER, otherwise, it would have been, 'No, never will happen', and FD could have stuck to their guns with that statement. Michael didn't say that though, he left an out in case they decide to do something exactly like what Sandro has proposed.
And the imbalance is not imagined, it's not made up, it's not a load of tosh, it's an established fact that's been exploited for a while now by all the groups doing PP in earnest. FD sees it, Sandro tossed out the idea because of the imbalance, it's real, it exists, and the response ALL the PvE only players make shows it, 'just play in Solo/Group yourself'...yeah, because there's no imbalance there.... David does NOT always know what's going on in the game, he's shown that more than a few times now, he's not an actual god, you realize that right? He does make mistakes and isn't all knowing and all wise.
I don't think you should be calling people "idiots" just because they disagree with you.
The problem is that we don't know if this playerbase is predominantly PvE or PvP nor their attitude toward either activities. We know this forum is predominantly PvE, that is an observation I think most of us can agree on.
The history of this game goes way back where internet wasn't even utilized much at all, and now it has all these potentials and they should be explored.
PP itself as a competitive PvP mechanic still uses mostly PvE activities to contribute to the overall PvP image. If PvE players refuse to play PP because the needed equality is brought about with this change, then the one being inconsiderate isn't the "idiotic minority" as you put it, but a narcissistic portion of the community that somehow believes PvE gameplay should somehow be superior or more important than PvP gameplay from a conceptual standpoint.
When in a competitive mechanic where people are rationally driven to private and solo, there is no equality to speak of, this change is bringing equality to us.
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Then where were you all this time PP has been the way it is? It's been incentivizing private and solo mode for a long time, where were you?
That's where we start to disagree. In any game you compete against the people you choose to play with or against. Elite is no different. Now, we've both seen folks claiming on these forums "my kung-fu is superior! You are all scrubs!" but we both know they are simply fools. We're playing the same game whether we are in solo, an arbitrary group or in open. We may not be directly competing against each other at all. We may only be able to oppose each other indirectly or we may find a way to face each other, lasers blazing, across a random piece of space. It's still the same game. It should STAY the same game.
For a specific mechanic.
You can't stop religious people converting others to the same religion. The auto-responses to sandro's comment make that abundantly clear. PVP is a nice excuse; the bulk of the resistance stems from people knowing full well that solo is the best way to game PP.
Because PP is the only mechanic where ONLY player actions count, as you should be aware Roybe, so that's the one where the imbalance must be addressed by FD directly.
I don't know what else to tell you but what you're doing right now is flaming the thread.
"Remove Open" seriously?
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All we need right now is someone that walks in here and say "Nope it's all solo's and group's fault that open is the way it is now, remove them" and we have ourselves a locked thread. That must be obvious to you.
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Only in open I can be stopped when undermining. In solo, I cannot be stopped. This is an automatic imbalance. It's not the same. It's never been the same. Arguing the game should be the same in all modes is great; but because of the way those mechanics work, they never will be. "fair" and "same" is an illusion.
It's not going to work anyway. Log into Open, block UDP port. All the benefits of Open with the joy of Solo.
Because private and solo are incentivized in the current PP status quo, whereas Open is an irrational choice in terms of a competitive mechanic.
You undermine a faction for 3 hours in solo. I cannot stop you. The reverse is also true.
I freight pieces of paper from place A to place B, you cannot stop me; the reverse is also true.
I can try, as hard as I might to out undermine, or out freight; but I cannot at any time actually influence. This is the imbalance. There is no way to prevent or influence. Solo might make it easier to earn vouchers, but the biggest reasons is that actions cannot be affected.
It's a group methodology being almost entirely run in solo.
"Incentivized" how? What advantage do the other modes have besides the absence of PvP?
Because in the competitive scope, having no hindrance in one's activity in PP is infinitely better than having hindrance. It's even better when you control the environment where people only cooperate with you. There is no reason to play Open other than run into potential player interference. Which is an irrational choice.
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