Have you read Sandro's OP? He explains it (along with many other people posting explainations throughout this thread and the thread under the Powerplay disc.)
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Have you read Sandro's OP? He explains it (along with many other people posting explainations throughout this thread and the thread under the Powerplay disc.)
If I can infuence PP through PvE then PP isn't, by definition PvP, at best it is also PvP...
Tomato, toe-mato.
If I can influence PP through PvP then PP isn't, by definition PvE, at best it is also PvE.... it's both.
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Truth to be told Sandro never says there's inequality. Reasons behind making PP more interesting in Open is most likely PP events to generate player gatherings as CGs. It is not about justice or leveling out modes.
In this thread all I've seen is people being upset at not have a chance too shoot me and declining to explain why they think there is an imbalance between the modes regarding PP so why don't you enlighten me... Make is short and sweet I'm not that bright...
Not really. PP is meta game, not face to face PvP. Adding PvP to it makes it a bit interesting to players, but it doesn't drive PP forward. So in nutshell PP is pure PvE thing.
Fact that former EvE players would like to see PP to become more PvP centric is besides the point - it is not direct intervention.
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Yup that's what I said except different...
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I know that, you know that even the Eve crowd knows it.
Right here he says it. -- The entire post is about fixing Powerplay and also fixing the imbalance between PG / Solo and Open.
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then you should just leave your comment and go. You are not truly interested in discussing the topic, just blindly repeating your opinion without taking facts into account.
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PP is only affected by players, it is indeed Player versus Player content in it's most basic form.
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Funny thing, when I state in any other thread I don't play in open because of PvP I get told it hardly ever happens at all, no biggy realy, don't sweat it, never been interdicted by a player and playing since forever. So which is it?
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Lets to face it, this is just another Solo vs Open thread, but with a new jacket and hat.
Its getting kinda old.
Must be FD wants this nonsense around, or they would simply ignore it, like all the fantastic ideas on how to really improve game that have been posted in the past.
To quote another analogy that seems close to representing this situation. "Off Limits".
You are floating on a sea of turds, but instead of saying "no", you reach out and pick this one little turd up and you say "This turd, WELL THIS TURD ANGERS me, I'm gonna do something about this turd!
We could have 10 years of Solo vs Open forums, or we could "enjoy the game".
You are just trying to talk in circles. You say he never says it, I show you a quote with him saying it. It's the entire focus of this thread and an entire other thread (that HE started btw).
I'm really happy to see these changes being discussed and also very pleased to see Sandro's comments in this thread!
I think that the concept of Powerplay actions in Open being "impact weighted", should really be extended to cover all of the other communally-effected components of the game.
In particular I think that contributions towards Community Goals, and the BGS, should be given the same proposed impact bonus if they are made from Open Play.
It's a nice solution, don't take away anyone's personal rewards or remove the impact from Solo altogether, instead just deny the proposed bonus to the many nefarious abusers of mode switching (I call them "Scenario Loggers"), that undertake their deliberately competitive actions in Solo with impunity.
I fully support the idea, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of the same weighting strategy in other parts of the game.
I think that the concept of Powerplay actions in Open being "impact weighted", should really be extended to cover all of the other communally-effected components of the game.
In particular I think that contributions towards Community Goals, and the BGS, should be given the same proposed impact bonus if they are made from Open Play.
It's a nice solution, don't take away anyone's personal rewards or remove the impact from Solo altogether, instead just deny the proposed bonus to the many nefarious abusers of mode switching (I call them "Scenario Loggers"), that undertake their deliberately competitive actions in Solo with impunity.
I fully support the idea, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of the same weighting strategy in other parts of the game.
You haul merits back and forth in solo, you run the risk of getting shot at by NPCs.
You haul merits back and forth in open, you run the risk of getting shot at by NPCs and players.
The risk is higher in Open, as Sandro told us, therefore your efficiency there is lower. Powerplay, as a competitive feature, is all about efficiency, so PP mostly happens in solo and groups, where the efficiency is highest and you can reach your goal fastest before the others. The modes are treated equally, but since there is an in-built handicap to one of them, the end result is that they aren't equal in practice, which is what Sandro would like to fix.
That's equality, but that's certainly not equity.
What about two sides opposing a community goal? In 6 months time if you buff PP, CG players will want a buff.
Why should explorers not in open able to get first discovered on a system? Explorers compete to name stuff, so why not give them buffs too. Im not saying either are entitled, but once you open the flood gates there is no going back.
Nope, BGS is also affected by players, and it is not deemed as any form of PvP. It is not PvP. Stop dressing it up as one.
All of those things would benefit the player, this proposal will not, it only benefits the Power.
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Powerplay is ONLY affected by players. The entire idea of Powerplay is players PvE grinding against other players ( players verse players ). It's pretty simple. There also are more normal PVP elements as well. Conflict Zones (Crime Sweeps etc)
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Thanks for that, I'm just not that sure the risks in open are that much higher after all you do need to get into the same instance as your intended target also I've been told it's childs play to escape if you know what you're doing so you lose only a few seconds. Oh and then there's the fact that even within the bubble there's a lot of ground to cover and if I play it safe my would be assasin is salking the systemI just left while I'm now heading to undermine/ fortify and other system that way I can have people chasing their own tails and laugh myself silly.
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[up] On a roll last night? A big fat yes from me old bean. [yesnod]
Ha! Bad Sandro...
I must admit that the comedic value of FD throwing odd contradicting bones into the forum to watch us go at each other.
As another has said before me; Hats off to FD.
It is childs play to escape if you know what your doing, but 99% of people don't which is why the forums constantly filled with whine about pvp, even being able to escape easily a player will cause vastly more disruption than any AI, they can chain interdict, force a system change, low wake when your killing NPC's, destroy you at the station theres a large number of events that only happen with players present. for a majority of players the efficiencys probably 90% which is acceptable for imbalance imo but obviously if you ever get destroyed in open its a huge setback compared to completing your objectives in solo.
Why not just fix the problems with open. You know, the ones that have the community divided? That's the solution.
The other thing that needs fixing: Make powerplay FUN, because it's not. It's excruciating. It's beyond me how anyone sustains any form of interest in it, but you know, each to their own.
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