I can't take that for anything more than the lazy corporate excuse it is.
EDIT: sad thing is, some people seem to swallow that unsubstantiated dross whole.
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Interiors Vs FDEV's Escape Argument
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I can't take that for anything more than the lazy corporate excuse it is.
EDIT: sad thing is, some people seem to swallow that unsubstantiated dross whole.
I haven't seen one single sound argument, except "I'm not personally excited by interiors", which still doesn't explain all the contrarianism.
The rest has been 100% fallacious nonsense.
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Another problem is the parts of the community that claim not to care about ship interiors 'either way' and proceeds to be against it in favor of something else that will either not happen or break the game anyway. It's pathetic that we can't all come together on this.
United, we'd be their masters. They wouldnt stand a chance or have a choice.
Stand together cmdrs, ship interiors and true VR for EVERYONE!!!!!
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Ps fix multicrew and finish powereplay for gods' sake
They say that it would get boring. As boring as waiting 15 mins for my carrier to jump? What exciting gameplay..waiting for the counter to click down....it does get exciting at the end though....my carrier migjt just eject me out of the carrier and leave wirhout me....
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This is actually the perfect argument for a concourse in the Carrier. I thought for sure this is what they were going for when they let you swap and choose crew members for your Carrier, and they were planning for the future. I assumed a lot of things about Odyssey, actually...
Considering how much time Elite has us waste either doing nothing (waiting for power regulators to shut down), or just mindlessly traveling (either running all the way to the concourse elevator, or flying to planets more than 90,000ls away), the whole "it would get boring" argument they gave us just seemed like damage control.
The real reason is likely more damning: the game's code is too spaghettified for it to be a feasible addition. I can think of tons of things an interior could add to gameplay, and frankly the whole "it would take a long time to model them all" is a pretty silly argument as well since the whole job of the asset department of a game dev studio is to literally just spend all day modelling things. They already modelled the exteriors of every ship and every station, why would modelling the interiors suddenly be insurmountable? It's literally that department's JOB to model things.
If they could model individual cockpits to fit inside each individual ship, they can model interiors to fit each individual ship.
The real reason is likely more damning: the game's code is too spaghettified for it to be a feasible addition. I can think of tons of things an interior could add to gameplay, and frankly the whole "it would take a long time to model them all" is a pretty silly argument as well since the whole job of the asset department of a game dev studio is to literally just spend all day modelling things. They already modelled the exteriors of every ship and every station, why would modelling the interiors suddenly be insurmountable? It's literally that department's JOB to model things.
If they could model individual cockpits to fit inside each individual ship, they can model interiors to fit each individual ship.
I like that excuse, it's pretty creative.
It still doesn’t warrant the thousands of men hours of work just to take strolls.
Yeah taking off under fire would be boring...
One of George Lucas' worst scenes, not memorable at all, i always fast-forwards past this, like the lightsabre scenes or trench run <yawn> back to scanning plants, oh yeah baby!
I think it's obvious, they all moddeling things for their JWE2, and have no time for that trashy "interiors"
My only argument against interiors is thus..
It would take alot of coders and time and resources to do it ship by ship. Not some backroom affair but a full on financed time budgeted code sesh.
Which in turn would not be coders developing repairing fixing the vital parts of the game which are broken.
Optimisation.
Multiplay.
Powerplay/bgs
Piracy fixed
Smuggling fixed.
Lighting fixed.
AI fixed
New ships
New content namely thargoid foot fodder or a tractor beam hehe.
Theres simply too much other stuff to assign resources to.
And on that basis l cannot advocate ship interiors.
Course once its all done....different story.
It would take alot of coders and time and resources to do it ship by ship. Not some backroom affair but a full on financed time budgeted code sesh.
Which in turn would not be coders developing repairing fixing the vital parts of the game which are broken.
Optimisation.
Multiplay.
Powerplay/bgs
Piracy fixed
Smuggling fixed.
Lighting fixed.
AI fixed
New ships
New content namely thargoid foot fodder or a tractor beam hehe.
Theres simply too much other stuff to assign resources to.
And on that basis l cannot advocate ship interiors.
Course once its all done....different story.
Its all been said before I’m sure but it’s not like it’s a binary decision. It could be done in measurable steps, each adding something to the game.
Even being able to walk around your cockpit and an airlock zone at the top of the steps would be welcomed and get rid of the by now infamous Armstrong Moment popping into existence outside the ship. A door at the rear of the cockpit would fade you into the airlock similar to the SRV now, before a dramatic hiss of air revealed the new planets surface below you. No different to now, but with a better transition and negligible additional modelling, just an approach that cares about the immersion
I don’t buy the ‘player in a player’ line either. Early versions could prohibit you walking around your ship in flight meaning it’s only possible when docked or landed - no different to what’s already in Odyssey, just with some extra surfaces in play. Beyond that, there are plenty of stop off points between just the cockpit and the whole ship. You don’t really need to be able to lick all of the modules. Connecting to the SRV bay or a customisable crew quarters might be fun. Personally I don’t feel the need to repair things myself or fight fires etc so some of this would just be eye candy, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter.
I’m sure there are gameplay loops that lie beyond that and they could be fun, but wouldn’t be why I bought the game. I would rather see more customisation of external environments - fleet carrier concourses, military or prison areas only accessible when certain ranks are achieved. A back room in the bar accessible by a quiet word with the Barman, and only accessible at certain reputation thresholds. Etc etc etc
Even being able to walk around your cockpit and an airlock zone at the top of the steps would be welcomed and get rid of the by now infamous Armstrong Moment popping into existence outside the ship. A door at the rear of the cockpit would fade you into the airlock similar to the SRV now, before a dramatic hiss of air revealed the new planets surface below you. No different to now, but with a better transition and negligible additional modelling, just an approach that cares about the immersion
I don’t buy the ‘player in a player’ line either. Early versions could prohibit you walking around your ship in flight meaning it’s only possible when docked or landed - no different to what’s already in Odyssey, just with some extra surfaces in play. Beyond that, there are plenty of stop off points between just the cockpit and the whole ship. You don’t really need to be able to lick all of the modules. Connecting to the SRV bay or a customisable crew quarters might be fun. Personally I don’t feel the need to repair things myself or fight fires etc so some of this would just be eye candy, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter.
I’m sure there are gameplay loops that lie beyond that and they could be fun, but wouldn’t be why I bought the game. I would rather see more customisation of external environments - fleet carrier concourses, military or prison areas only accessible when certain ranks are achieved. A back room in the bar accessible by a quiet word with the Barman, and only accessible at certain reputation thresholds. Etc etc etc
I am sure they can model interiors, that is not the problem. The less easy task is add game mechanics to it. People forget it is pretty complex to add. Think of an complete essay, but now you are required to add another protagonist without fundamentally changing the existing story and characters too much but without separating the new protagonist too much at the same time. And FDev (Ed Lewis to be precise) already explained, they will not do SI without any mechanics attached to it. Why is this topic so hard to understand?
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I get scenes like this every single day I play the game...
What on-foot ship interior stuff?
Running to the bridge, while your (multi-crew) co-pilot is warms up the engines, takes off, until the captain can helm.
Or maybe more like this then:
Not saying one wants this all the time, but the odd emergent gameplay could possibly be exciting.
Why is it so hard to understand? Because there isn't any reason or sound logic involved with this assertion.
Game development = work. Yes. Nothing you or Mr. Lewis said indicates any reason to believe developing (gameplay for) ship interiors would be disproportionately difficult.
Interiors thread....Almost thought I'd missed the bus....It funny when people act like fdev have limited options in this regard. I mean I suppose they do, but they are self imposed.
"we don't have a coder for VR anymore, wahhh" because there exist no one else that could do this job and apparently that's why so many VR games exist?
"Ship interiors would be repetitive, durr" like literally everything else implemented in to game like driving around reloading guardian sites/Davs hope/ Jameson crash... essentially a perfect fit given the trend
The only thing I've been shown fdev completely capable of doing without fail is halfassing it and making flimsy excuses for poor effort. But if they work as hard at actually doing what needs done, we'd be here singing their praise.
They obviously enjoy our disdain
What this commander said!
Sadly tho I must fine you -150cr for not knowing you stole my retort.
Long story short, if you didn't want to create it as bolt-on feature, you needed to almost completely redisgn basic game mechanics.
Just imagine a current game loop were you are interdicted, the aggressor then shoots out your drives, but now the game requires you to repair the drives manually.
Many people around here not only swallow ship without hesitation but they get infuriated when you don't gulp it down with them.
This place almost feels like some kind of social experiment at times.