I might have missed something, but the interview does not reveal why SDC killed Salomé.
Can't blame them, they played their strategy pretty well... they got the job done [up]
Interview with SDC about Salome.
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I might have missed something, but the interview does not reveal why SDC killed Salomé.
Can't blame them, they played their strategy pretty well... they got the job done [up]
For the umpteenth time - FDev had NOTHING to do with this event. Even after all this time I'm still dumbfounded that people keep spewing the same nonesense..
1) Salome is dead. period.
2) There's no conspiracy or scripting - stop this crap right now.
3) CoR =\= PAC
4) While it sucks (from my POV), Harry Potter (Besieger) earned his kill.
5) SDC got fame, CoR got the info released. End result is a win/win, and made for a great event.
Fame & notoriety, and because they could (Best guess).
If there was some lore/RP reason i'm not sure what it would be from SDC's point of view...
@Ryan @Besieger @Rinzler: Feel free to correct/clarify that last point
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Didn't this take place in Elite Dangerous?
Who was it who produced that game, again?
Who was it who designed the netcode which controls instancing and prioritises grouping people on each other's friend list together?
How well did that all perform during this event?
So, if you're not too busy being dumbfounded, make the extra effort required to wind your neck in.
Also, when you're accusing people of "spewing nonesense" [sic] it helps avoid looking foolish if you can actually spell the words you're using.
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Donation of expencive ammo.
Its more. Donations so you can afford the rebuy when we kill you
There was a plan for that, it was the interdictor team. Cheap ships with specific builds almost anyone can get that were the linchpin of the defense. Killers alone couldn't defend the VIPs, because if everyone was busy shooting it only takes one unnoticed bad guy for the VIP to get caught. The interdictors were supposed to tie as many of the attackers up as possible to divide and conquer and buy time for the VIPs. They snatched and ran, and were back in supercruise looking for more bad guys. I saw the 'bug off' answer used when someone was c+p spamming a build in chat half an hour before the event when he was supposed to be at a waypoint. Seemed fair to me. Then they came to the forums and told everyone they were kicked out. That's the here.
None of us can allow or disallow anything in Elite, or the event? Everyone always 'blazes their own trail' in this game, some just get upset when it intersects with other people's trail. In what way was the event closed by PAC? It seems like it's closed because a few people who can't get their facts straight feel like it was closed. A handful of loners did not cause PAC to change their plans, that what the complaints about elitism are. PAC's plans met all of their objectives, which makes them completely realistic, doesn't it?
Trouble with fleet ops is that without leadership they fail. A well practiced, coordinated force will always triumph against an unorganised rabble, that's why the military have chain of command and why soldiers have to follow orders. I know this is only a video game and the real life comparisons always come across as extreme, but the basic principle of organisation and leadership still applies if you want your side to win. Join any competitive CS clan and you'll see that their practice sessions are like military operations. It's not about swinging the e-peen or any other machismo. It's because they want to win. It's because they know that if their next opponents are as skilled as they are, the outcome will come down to discipline and organisation.
Because it was a weighted story line where the most 'exciting' outcome was to kill off a character from the book. Yes it couldn't be a 100% success rate prediction, but the whole thing had a weighted story line that had this outcome as the most optimum one for the story line.
Doesn't matter who killed off the character, some organized group, or some random individual not linked to any organization. The point was the set up for the act of this play was for having Salomé killed off and they got that desired outcome.
Nothing more...
It's funny how they try to justify that crap, it could maybe get a pass if they were sucessfull, but they failed. Their best plan with the best PVPers got Salome killed, because they couldn't see past their nose with their head so far up their own backsides.
Methinks they're taking the game too seriously, need to grow thicker skin.
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I took part in the event, I got wind of the beacons in Teorge and positioned myself there at the start, fully aware of the contents of the beacons, understanding that Salome was in dire trouble.
Clearly the event was going to be about closing off her knowledge and with SDC involvement, the back-stab move was inevitable. I did warn about it on the PAC discord, well in advance of the start but with all the trolls, my warning got swallowed up and ignored.
Still, knowing that I hadn't been selected for any wing role by PAC (and to be honest , not wanting to be part of the defence knowing what was coming) my only choice was to pre-position and try and provide cover as they arrived. Salome didn't make it, Raan did and I provided top cover until my instance threw a wobbly and I lost contact. Even at the point when Raan appeared in Teorge PAC were attempting to intimidate independent pilots and threaten death to those who wouldn't leave. I told them that wasn't going to happen, we already knew of the double cross. I didn't get another message and was left alone. My FdL with MC's and 2k MJ shields probably helped with that.
The lack of any organisation beyond PAC that was open to membership probably caused the loss of Salome, the lack of live location information made matters worse.
However, these comments are just my speculation, more interesting is my observations about "uber PvP" combat.
I noticed from the various videos that combat basically revolved around jousting, both for the aggressor and the defender. I do not recall seeing any close quarters maneuvering that tried to find a blind spot, it was all full speed, boost, turn and repeat. I'm thinking that the PvP uber badge some have awarded to themselves may be a little premature. Is the time right for a new approach to PvP that does not involve the jousting method in equally armed/dangerous ships?
I know some advocate a new approach to PvP, videos etc have been posted so I suppose what I'm saying is twofold. Is it time for the wider community to become more interactive with each other on an ad-hoc basis in the face of danger (and to break the monopoly of the uber PvP brigade) and secondly to find a new style of combat? Have SDC sown the seeds of their own eventual demise by being so open in showing their methods?
Might be worth thinking about.
Clearly the event was going to be about closing off her knowledge and with SDC involvement, the back-stab move was inevitable. I did warn about it on the PAC discord, well in advance of the start but with all the trolls, my warning got swallowed up and ignored.
Still, knowing that I hadn't been selected for any wing role by PAC (and to be honest , not wanting to be part of the defence knowing what was coming) my only choice was to pre-position and try and provide cover as they arrived. Salome didn't make it, Raan did and I provided top cover until my instance threw a wobbly and I lost contact. Even at the point when Raan appeared in Teorge PAC were attempting to intimidate independent pilots and threaten death to those who wouldn't leave. I told them that wasn't going to happen, we already knew of the double cross. I didn't get another message and was left alone. My FdL with MC's and 2k MJ shields probably helped with that.
The lack of any organisation beyond PAC that was open to membership probably caused the loss of Salome, the lack of live location information made matters worse.
However, these comments are just my speculation, more interesting is my observations about "uber PvP" combat.
I noticed from the various videos that combat basically revolved around jousting, both for the aggressor and the defender. I do not recall seeing any close quarters maneuvering that tried to find a blind spot, it was all full speed, boost, turn and repeat. I'm thinking that the PvP uber badge some have awarded to themselves may be a little premature. Is the time right for a new approach to PvP that does not involve the jousting method in equally armed/dangerous ships?
I know some advocate a new approach to PvP, videos etc have been posted so I suppose what I'm saying is twofold. Is it time for the wider community to become more interactive with each other on an ad-hoc basis in the face of danger (and to break the monopoly of the uber PvP brigade) and secondly to find a new style of combat? Have SDC sown the seeds of their own eventual demise by being so open in showing their methods?
Might be worth thinking about.
I've been trying to give you rep but the forum gods have forbidden it.
We could donate some if you wanna hang around. Forum aftermath is half the fun of anything in Elite
We could donate some if you wanna hang around. Forum aftermath is half the fun of anything in Elite
Didn't someone write earlier that they were quitting the game so they could play the forum full time? Man, I wish I'd come up with that one!
Fame and noteriety is an RP reason.
Harry Potter even RP'd the kill with with his surrender message to Salomé, by naming his ship "Long Dictor of the Law" (laughed my socks off) and the Denton Patreus alligence. SDC did in and out of game RPing like mad with their involvement with PAC.
In one of his pre event interviews Drew stated that as far as he was concerned everyone involved is RPing. We are after all playing a game and deciding what role we want to play. This isn't some super serious DnD campaign where everyone is supposed to stay in character at all times.
As far as I'm concerned everyone involved, Drew, CoR, PaC, The Code, 13th Legion, SDC , other groups and all the unaligned pilots played a great game. There were winners and losers, but such is the nature of games. Sure, some people didn't like the game being played or misunderstood what it was. There are lessons to be learned there. But for a first try at such things It went way better than I expected.
Mad respect to Drew for the imagination and balls for trying something different and to all those who got involved to make it happen. Just gutted I couldn't be there on Saturday myself. Well played!
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So in summary SDC outplayed, outflew, outmanouvred and outfoxed thousands upon thousands of oppositon. I could not tell from the stream of HP if it was pre-med or spur of the moment (it looked very spur of the moment as he was presented with a target that was hard to refuse when he went in).
If y'all are saying it was pre-med from the off then well played, but deep down inside I will always believe he attacked because there was a poorly defended target of opportunity.
Either way, superb. The rest of us need to up our game considerably.
If y'all are saying it was pre-med from the off then well played, but deep down inside I will always believe he attacked because there was a poorly defended target of opportunity.
Either way, superb. The rest of us need to up our game considerably.
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It was planned along with the RP that would go with it.
Except, you know, the part where Drew announced months ago that SDC had agreed to play the villains in the performance.
Even more impressive then, well executed!