Is ED nearing the end of its lifespan?

[Rat Catcher]

Its funny how OA gets hammered for his video titles

Innit?

It is almost as if his title didn't mention the end of exploration at all. But I'm sure my not watching any of his content isn't going to bother him much, and if it did, he'd be more than able to defend himself without needing an apologist to do it for him, surely?

 

[The Reverend]

Innit?

It is almost as if his title didn't mention the end of exploration at all. But I'm sure my not watching any of his content isn't going to bother him much, and if it did, he'd be more than able to defend himself without needing an apologist to do it for him, surely?

I'm no OA apologist. Or a Fdev apologist either (unlike some).

I just call out hypocrisy when I see it.

Have a good day

 

[Rat Catcher]

Its funny how OA gets hammered for his video titles when certain posters on here are as equally guilty for sensationalizing their comments and posting things that are way out of context themselves.

Indeed, I have seen so many others do exactly this...

and, of course, thoroughly enjoy taking the mickey here doing exactly this myself - I have a very well developed sense of the ridiculous, and this forum is certainly a very good source of the ridiculous. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Rat Catcher]

I'm no OA apologist

Of course you aren't...

Have a good day yourself! I will.

 

[Old Duck]

I'm no OA apologist. Or a Fdev apologist either (unlike some).

I just call out hypocrisy when I see it.

Have a good day

Preach it, Reverend!

ps - I am an OA apologist, though I prefer the term Obsidian Knight.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

What does OA need to apologise for?

Last i checked there are many people who aren't white knights on the forum

Positivity? pfft. Positivity is given when its earned. No more no less.

 

[Old Duck]

What does OA need to apologise for?

Because the antis can't help but derail every thread in this forum with their anti-ant rhetoric.

Though ironically I only know about this because of others defending Ant by quoting the antis, which I see as "You are ignoring content by this member." So if everyone stops apologizing for OA, I would never know he was so "popular" around here, LOL.

EDIT - I was half-asleep when I misread what I quoted above, thinking it said, "What does OA need an apologist for?"

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

Because the antis can't help but derail every thread in this forum with their anti-ant rhetoric.

Though ironically I only know about this because of others defending Ant by quoting the antis, which I see as "You are ignoring content by this member." So if everyone stops apologizing for OA, I would never know he was so "popular" around here, LOL.

I know from experience all you have to do is stand up to them a few times and they go away, its not as bad as OA makes it out to be.

If you play the game, your opinion is valid, end of story.

Ps. Rat Catcher is quite an awesome person, after a few friendly arm wrestles we just leave each other space to do our own thing.

 

[Old Duck]

Ps. Rat Catcher is quite an awesome person, after a few friendly arm wrestles we just leave each other space to do our own thing.

To quote yourself, "What does OA Rat Catcher need an apologist for?"

Wait... I misread your original words. I read them as I have above. Stupid brain. It's early here in America. Not awake. So my reply probably makes no sense applied to your original quote, as I was replying to something entirely different in my head, LOL.

Personally I wish we could all just go back to discussing posts rather than posters. Surely there's enough to talk about in Elite itself (assuming it's not end of lifespan). That's another plug I'll give to Space Engineers and X4 Foundations - we discuss the game, not each other.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Rat Catcher is quite an awesome person, after a few friendly arm wrestles we just leave each other space to do our own thing.

We both play the game, enjoy how we play, and, on occasion have a little spat...
But, likewise, you are high on my list of folk I enjoy 'conversation' with, not 'bestie friends' but certainly not an armed truce! I'll give you the same awesome accolade, we've had some times, but there is no resentment that I know of.

Thinking of some of our 'encounters', you have my respect too, for not hitting that 'ignore' button just because I disagreed with you!

 

[Rat Catcher]

To quote yourself, "What does OA Rat Catcher need an apologist for?"

At least @CMDR Karrde Sun manages to hold first party discourse, without 'ignoring' posters who disagreed with something, or posted something thatr hurt their feelings.
The forum must almost be like playing ED solo for some

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

We both play the game, enjoy how we play, and, on occasion have a little spat...
But, likewise, you are high on my list of folk I enjoy 'conversation' with, not 'bestie friends' but certainly not an armed truce! I'll give you the same awesome accolade, we've had some times, but there is no resentment that I know of.

Thinking of some of our 'encounters', you have my respect too, for not hitting that 'ignore' button just because I disagreed with you!

Yeah exactly. Unlike the rest of your friends, ive managed to extract a conversation about elite dangerous out of you, a few times, and for that, cheers!

Besides we're both here and playing elite. Like orbits our views only line up when the game and frontier enable it to be so. Pretty rare those conjunctions sure, heheh.

 

[VR Golgot]

Is Frontier not willing to put enough money into Elite to get it into a good state anymore? Is the Code just to broken to be fixed?
What are your genuine opinions on this matter?

My take is that FDev are still trying to 'turn the supertanker around', as Braben has put it (4m40s).

I've no idea whether that's ultimately achievable, but I think that's what they're still trying to do.

I'm basing this mainly on their statements to the market. IE stuff like this:

Spoiler

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/uenqes

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/uenqes/we_will_focus_on_new_content_updates_on_pc_10th/

Guess we'll see if ED tanks along, or ends up wallowing in an oil spill

(FWIW, my money would be on some fun stuff coming this year. But whether that can juice the game up enough to ensure significant further work is still up in the air I'd say ¯\(ツ)/¯ )

 

[KRONFROMGALVATRON]

The "end of exploration" because a community resource is no longer updating? Priceless!

Sorry, I have never used the resource, never even knew it existed, but have still managed to tour over a million LY on one account, and around the same distance on the other 2 combined, maybe my not professing to be an "Explorer" has saved me from this great loss?

Yeah I don’t want to stoke this debate it’s not the thread for it but that’s all they’re talking about as being the end of exploration? Hmm. For me it’s the beginning of exploration. It’s more fun and has more mechanics to enjoy than ever before. These dudes really want to go back to the days of just super cruising around forever then pointing your ship at stuff until the timer kicks off and you get the data? That was boring as I recall…

 

[KRONFROMGALVATRON]

My take is that FDev are still trying to 'turn the supertanker around', as Braben has put it (4m40s).

I've no idea whether that's ultimately achievable, but I think that's what they're still trying to do.

I'm basing this mainly on their statements to the market. IE stuff like this:

Spoiler

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/uenqes

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/uenqes/we_will_focus_on_new_content_updates_on_pc_10th/

Guess we'll see if ED tanks along, or ends up wallowing in an oil spill

(FWIW, my money would be on some fun stuff coming this year. But whether that can juice the game up enough to ensure significant further work is still up in the air I'd say ¯\(ツ)/¯ )

Nice find and quotes. That’s definitely encouraging. I personally doubt they’re preparing to abandon it, but people are justified in wondering what’s happening for sure.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

To quote yourself, "What does OA Rat Catcher need an apologist for?"
...

I heard he's consorting with mice.

 

[Darrett]

Yeah I don’t want to stoke this debate it’s not the thread for it but that’s all they’re talking about as being the end of exploration? Hmm. For me it’s the beginning of exploration. It’s more fun and has more mechanics to enjoy than ever before. These dudes really want to go back to the days of just super cruising around forever then pointing your ship at stuff until the timer kicks off and you get the data? That was boring as I recall…

The difference I’ve seen in exploration is pretty significant; last time I played before my recent return was exactly as you describe. Honk the horn, and point at a feature for a while.

Exploration and a wide variety of other game systems seem vastly improved. Engineering materials come in threes now, and are much easier to find, and upgrades aren’t so random. NPC AI is better, and the engineered vs non-engineered NPCs are more regulated so you can tailor you experience to your ship’s capability better.

I know this is all old hat for most on here, but sometimes it’s easy to take for granted all the progress that has been made. With the benefit of the last 4 years off, it’s pretty substantial.

 

[Salonica]

So it's about the closure of a community project (or something like that). For a moment I thought it had something to do with the game itself. As a solo player, I never cared much about community projects. Thanks for not making me waste my time with this video.

That may be so, and I respect your opinion. However, for hundreds if not thousands of others, DW were gatherings by the community for the community. They made ED so unique.

No one 'makes you waste time' with any video. You either select to watch it or not. I would put it to you that deciding not to watch it based on someone's opinion here is not the way to be educated by such matters. Maybe watch it and derive your own opinion?

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

When there is such a glaring discrepancy between title and content, I think it is nothing more than a shabby attempt to adopt modern advertising practices, to deliberately mislead customers and to scratch very hard at the edge of lying. At the very least, it is a very brazen form of click-bait. Up to this point I was still inclined to defend OA, but this is the end of the line for me. I wouldn't bother to say a word if he didn't have such a far-reaching influence. It is simply irresponsible and perhaps beyond that, because I can hardly imagine that he is not aware of the effects of his influence.

He's on YouTube - click baiting is literally his job. Why are people getting offended by this?

Also, what exactly do you think happens when people see a clickbait YouTube headline? Do you think they just read the headline and think "Oh, this must mean ED is shutting down so instead of buying it I'll get a burger instead"? Or maybe, just possibly, they click on the video, watch it and think "Oh, this is just boring exploration stuff - I don't care about that, I wanna shoot stuff".

If the video was full of lies, that would be 'irresponsible', but simply reporting the news can NEVER be a bad thing.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

If you assume that everyone who reads a title also cares about the content, then you obviously have no idea how the masses react to lurid headlines in the media. Unfortunately, this is exactly what happens in the world and is simply human nature being fundamentally lazy. But just because a nonsense has become established and "everyone is doing it" doesn't mean it can't (and shouldn't) be questioned. By the way, have you never read George Orwell's 1984? And if so, aren't all the alarm bells ringing? I'm not talking about the aspect of describing a totalitarian surveillance state, but only about the way truth is dealt with. We are all well on the way to slipping into such conditions - and even without the intervention of a crazy dictator.

I hate to tell you, but the 'masses' are ignoring both OA and ED, and will continue to do so no matter how click baity the headlines are.

Invoking 1984 to support criticism of a news report is an interesting take.