General / Off-Topic Is man made climate change real or not? Prove your belief here.

Figures can't lie, but liars can figure, thus one can only believe what they will. Dare to view this:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNy7tTY0Vek
Dare to read some of the comments to this video? How's that for example:

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@Gomeshock It's so simple you don't get it. The observations (ice melting, ice forming) and the opinions of scientists from that time period were recorded by journalists in the newspapers at that time. It correlates to the graphs created at that time. What is incorrect is that the scientists then made predictions (the world was going to freeze, we were going to die etc) that did not come true. That is what Tony has pointed out.
 
Figures can't lie, but liars can figure, thus one can only believe what they will. Dare to view this:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNy7tTY0Vek
Tony Heller/Steven Goddard has been debunked more times than I have been called a misanthrope. He's so full of it, that he almost takes the price. Just one example, to "help" you understand how full of it he and his arguments are, using his own video: He states that the old graph was made using "several hundred high quality stations". High quality stations in 1880? Then he argues that the stations used in 2019 are "very low quality". Yeah right...

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Heller-Goddard is obviously not stupid, which, considering his misinformation, potentially makes him a jerk, somewhat backed up by his misuse of Feynman. You just don't do that!!! 😡
 
This page seems quite balanced and has the potential to take both camps on board[*] while helping to understand each other's point and where we are all coming from with our different opinions and sciolisms. Here's another short snipped from Earth Facts (I highly recommend reading the whole page though):

may intensify in some parts of the Earth, including the region around the Mediterranean, central Europe, central North America, Central America and Mexico, northeast Brazil, and southern Africa, because of decreased precipitation and more evapotranspiration.1 This could lead to water shortages, reduced crop yields and more forest fires. Drought could cause the ground to shrink, damaging building foundations.

What’s Happening Now?
We can observe some of the effects of global climate change already. The Earth has been warming since 1880, when the industrial revolution was in full swing. Ten of the warmest years have occurred in the past 12 years. 2

The oceans are warming. In the last ten years, the sea level has risen at almost twice the rate as it has in the last century. Glaciers are shrinking and ice on rivers and lakes is breaking up earlier. 2

Parts of the world are experiencing heat waves that are longer and more intense than before. Trees are flowering early in the year. In response to changes in temperature and the availability of food, some animals and plants have already moved their ranges. All of these changes affect how people live. 2

The Earth has experienced drastic changes in climate long before people existed. Learn more about the history of climate change on Earth.
[*] not the trolls of course, they never will read more then the first 3 lines, especially when it remotely looks like it could chatter their preconceptions.
 
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Whenever you deniers read anything from people like Keller-Goddard, try to read the contra arguments based on science. You can find them all on this page, including the 10 most common misconceptions:

Ah, very cool (pun not quite unintended :p) I know quite a few of such pages, but only in German. That was exactly what I was looking for, thanks mate! (y)
Not that I would seriously expect it will stop the trolls now. But hey, better trying than let them cement their echo chamber.
 
Pointing out that the climate crisis movement is a Trojan horse for socialism and dramatically increased governmental control over our lives doesn't make one a "troll," my dear picommander. I'll take the uncertainty of the climate changing and my descendants being forced to adapt any day of the week over the iron clad certainty that the population control party takes over completely. If that makes me a "troll" then that's a sword I'll fall on gladly.
 
Pointing out that the climate crisis movement is a Trojan horse for socialism and dramatically increased governmental control over our lives doesn't make one a "troll," my dear picommander. I'll take the uncertainty of the climate changing and my descendants being forced to adapt any day of the week over the iron clad certainty that the population control party takes over completely. If that makes me a "troll" then that's a sword I'll fall on gladly.
Don't worry socialism is dead. Even China has converted to old fashioned despotism. Modern totalitarianism needs to be economically competitive.
 
That’s why it’s always a good idea to be self sustainable, you don’t need to be rich to do that, it’s also a good idea to be armed 😀

When the system breaks down, the only 'defence' worthwhile, would be to disappear. I say this because, the only weapons you have access to, would be the ones inside your own defences. The bad guys have an unlimited supply, outside your fortress. Bigger and better weapons. If the world, does not know where you are, they cannot come and steal your stuff.
 
saying that climate change is man-made or that mankind is the reason for climate change is factually wrong.
Quite the opposite.

The current deviation from long standing natural patterns and natural interactions is quite clearly due to our influence. There is a whole lot of climate variation without us, some of which has far exceeded anything we've been around to see first hand, but that does not mean we are not capable of significant impacts ourselves, as a species. The rate of change we are inducing is virtually unprecedented (only matched by massive geological or cosmic events), outstripping the biosphere's, or our own, ability to adequately adapt to it.

The idea that we can do nothing to mitigate the changes we are responsible for is also a fallacy. There are certain consequences that are now inevitable, and certain degrees of mitigation that would almost certainly be counter productive, but doing nothing will definitely result in serious problems in the long run.

Regardless, letting one's politics dictate one's facts is completely backwards and won't benefit anyone. The core of anthropogenic climate change denial seems to be the fear of what will be done with such information, not any rational assessment of the available evidence.

If the world, does not know where you are, they cannot come and steal your stuff.
Which is why anyone with actual bunkers keeps at least one of them secret.
 
saying that climate change is man-made or that mankind is the reason for climate change is factually wrong. the climate has always changed and will always be changing. the water level had swings of >200m in the history of earth.
saying we can stop climate change is like saying that we can stop the earth from rotating.
Ahhh, the same old bad old irrelevant "the climate has changed before" fallacy.
 
Pointing out that the climate crisis movement is a Trojan horse for socialism and dramatically increased governmental control over our lives doesn't make one a "troll," my dear picommander. I'll take the uncertainty of the climate changing and my descendants being forced to adapt any day of the week over the iron clad certainty that the population control party takes over completely. If that makes me a "troll" then that's a sword I'll fall on gladly.
Climate change has nothing to do with political parties.

It is there, it destroys the planet because of the uncontrolled activities of humans, that's the reality.

It is amazing to see that your concern is politics.

You have no other concerns than this shabby little political kitchen ?

The destruction of the environment and the shabby future of your children are no more worrying ?
 
Aprupt climate changes were extremly destructive on most lifeforms before, in particular in the Permian and Triassic periods as well as in the middle of the Cambrian. They were in deed extinction events, and in geological terms we talk here, yes, that is flicking a switch indeed.

In all the above periods the association between CO2 levels and global temperatures were evident.

Besides, climate changes constantly, but what we witness is in line with the rapid changes described above, hence the red flags coming from science.

What is so difficult to understandi here? I have an idea, but I would like to hear from those who claim this is not happening.
 
Pointing out that the climate crisis movement is a Trojan horse for socialism and dramatically increased governmental control over our lives doesn't make one a "troll," my dear picommander. I'll take the uncertainty of the climate changing and my descendants being forced to adapt any day of the week over the iron clad certainty that the population control party takes over completely. If that makes me a "troll" then that's a sword I'll fall on gladly.
Stop talking to me, that conversation is over now. But have a careful look at this instead:
and tell us where they got their facts wrong. Then come back and we talk. Bring some facts this time and either teach me something new or show me you are able/willing to do the same, my dear Jason.

Also, where you at it, have a thorough look at Earth facts, it's certainly unsuspicious of being some sort of governmental conspiracy (besides that it's pure science, if that is your problem). Especially these 2 pages (careful there, read the whole stuff through to the end): climate-change-history.
When you come back to me, dear Jason, bring your sources. But only serious stuff, no videos please.
 
Pointing out that the climate crisis movement is a Trojan horse for socialism and dramatically increased governmental control over our lives doesn't make one a "troll," my dear picommander. I'll take the uncertainty of the climate changing and my descendants being forced to adapt any day of the week over the iron clad certainty that the population control party takes over completely. If that makes me a "troll" then that's a sword I'll fall on gladly.
What I find particularly bizarre with this post is that it very much sounds like the position of your <cough> brilliant potus. What dramatically increased governmental control are you exactly talking about? Are you not living in the USA as I've always assumed?
 
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What I find particularly bizarre with this post is that it very much sounds like the position of your <cough> brilliant potus. What dramatically increased governmental control are you exactly talking about? Are you not living in the USA as I've always assumed?
Wait a minute, didn't you tell me on your last quote that "our conversation was over?" Please make up your mind!
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Well, the question contains the assumption that Climate change is happening. So we'll take that as a given.

We also know that mankind's activities contribute to it - the only real point at issue is the degree.

So. I reckon that it doesn't matter whether the majority of it is manmade or natural, we still give ourselves the best shot at surviving it if we minimise whatever proportion of it is within our control, even if it turns out most of it isn't...….
 
Wait a minute, didn't you tell me on your last quote that "our conversation was over?" Please make up your mind!
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I've waited much longer than just a minute for anything substantial from your side, so that's no problem. Don't take this as a conversation rather than a statement. You're not yet on my troll list but again you fail to bring some answers. Just drooling along, as always.
 
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