I'll be honest, I haven't done much in Lugh lately but I've kept track on the system map, and the fact it's taken this much effort from so many people and the system STILL has not flipped well over a month later means I'm giving up hope of ever playing the politics. I was trying in Tyerisu (tiny anarchy extraction) with a friend of mine to get the Empire to toss out some anarchists from the lone station but after dozens and dozens of missions over days and a minor faction in a "Boom" state with no market to help out, it's futile. It changed 0.3% after the manual push of backed up stats, and not at all since. And that's in a system with 2000 people and almost no traffic but us.
Lets test this persistent universe and see if FD are true to their word.
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Tanks mate!
If you read this thread you should see that FD are tweaking these events in a response to events happening too slowly ie reducing cooldown times etc... This is a work in progress for FD and we are helping them to fine tune it, and seeing as CR/second is not my game I'm happy to carry on for Lugh
But there's a whole game out there already so let's all enjoy
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Thanks Michael!
there he is! was hoping you'd join us!
Good to hear. I'm back in Lugh, bringing back 80k worth of exploration data with me. I'm anxious to try another configuration for my Viper, to see if I can find a weapons combo I like.
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to get steay progress u really need at least 20-60 people constantly active. Lugh has more than that theres a few other smaller projects under way but theres something holding the LUGH situation back, the devs arent shedding light just yet, maybe theres something different.
If you read this thread you should see that FD are tweaking these events in a response to events happening too slowly ie reducing cooldown times etc... This is a work in progress for FD and we are helping them to fine tune it, and seeing as CR/second is not my game I'm happy to carry on for Lugh
But there's a whole game out there already so let's all enjoy
In real life it would be harder to gain support in a small community than in a larger one. For instance, take a small village: everyone knows everyone, and they probably know their local faction representative well. This would make it harder to swing the population to a completely different way of thinking (although not impossible)
In larger populations, less people know the people involved, so they're more likely to change allegiance at the drop of a hat. Also, more of the population will be giving the factions free publicity (by talking about them to friends/colleagues) - there's more news coverage and better media penetration.
I'm not saying that this kind of mechanic is in the game, but it really shouldn't be easy to change an entire population's point of view, regardless of its size. I think it's hard in Lugh because there's so many factions and so many stations. It could be hard in smaller population systems because everyone knows everyone and you're quite likely trying turn people against their relatives
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I think the devs have shed quite a bit of light on this. Firstly, there's the civil war cool-down timer. Currently 26 days, but we know the devs are reviewing this and will be testing a smaller time frame soon.
Also, we know that each faction can only have one state active at a time. We've just worked through a boom state and now have to clear the Lockdown state before we can get another state. As I see it (and I'm sure Orfeboy will correct me if I'm wrong
) our job now is to work out how to get Civilwar in the state queue ahead of any other state (my best guess currently is non-lethal weapon missions & trading, backed up with bounty hunting). We have also been told that there are ways to remove unwanted states by actively working against it. Hence our current focus on bounty hunting in order to remove the lockdown state.All of this we have worked out with a few hints (and a couple of more direct comments) from Michael. I wouldn't have it any other way. FD need to know the system is complex enough to make system flipping difficult and interesting, but also transparent enough that a group of like-minded players can work out what to do themselves. So to say they're not shedding light - or to imply that there's something wrong because we're not getting our way straight away is, in my view at least, disingenuous. Most of us here are here because we want to help test the system, which in itself implies we know it has some flaws. We know there have been (and probably still are) flaws - but we also know that the devs are constantly rolling out fixes to what is being uncovered here and elsewhere (because they've been included in most of the recent patches)
Better still I, for one, am having fun doing it.
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The viper is an absolute beast but the lack of power means that there are not many configurations that are efficient enough for combat.
I like to have a gimbled weapon as my class 1 and then a fixed at my class 2. I didn't have an cargo space prior to last night but with all the wanted traders in the system i picked up a cargo scanner and 8 space to fit some sweet rare goods.
Update.
Crimson State Group 86.6% (-2.1%) +
Lugh for Equality 13.1% (+2.1%) +
Lugh Defence Force 0.1%
Silver Natural 0.1%
Dominion of Lugh 0.1%
Crimson State Group
State: Lockdown
Pending States: Boom - Lockdown +
Lugh for Equality
State: Boom
Pending States: Boom -
Lugh Defence Force
State: Civil War
Pending States: Civil War
Silver Natural LTD
State: Civil War
Pending States: Civil War
Dominion of Lugh
State:
Pending States:
PS: This will be the last update i post for about a week or so because i am going for an expedition on monday and try to sign an unexplored earth-like world with my name. For anyone who is interested in keeping our community informed with this daily update it arrives at around 11 pm every day at the moment.
Edit: We got conflict zones now in Lugh because LDF (Independent) and SN LTD (Federation) went into a civil war. The conflict zones overruled LFE's seeking for luxuries Boom.
So which side we choose ? LDF or SN LTD ?
Crimson State Group 86.6% (-2.1%) +
Lugh for Equality 13.1% (+2.1%) +
Lugh Defence Force 0.1%
Silver Natural 0.1%
Dominion of Lugh 0.1%
Crimson State Group
State: Lockdown
Pending States: Boom - Lockdown +
Lugh for Equality
State: Boom
Pending States: Boom -
Lugh Defence Force
State: Civil War
Pending States: Civil War
Silver Natural LTD
State: Civil War
Pending States: Civil War
Dominion of Lugh
State:
Pending States:
PS: This will be the last update i post for about a week or so because i am going for an expedition on monday and try to sign an unexplored earth-like world with my name. For anyone who is interested in keeping our community informed with this daily update it arrives at around 11 pm every day at the moment.
Edit: We got conflict zones now in Lugh because LDF (Independent) and SN LTD (Federation) went into a civil war. The conflict zones overruled LFE's seeking for luxuries Boom.
So which side we choose ? LDF or SN LTD ?
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Neither of them. We have dropped by 2.1% because players have stopped trading. We can't let this continue guys. LFE have 4 stations and two of them are big stations and close to the nav beacon. NPC trade if left unchallenged will continue to sap our influence and leave us back where we were. Lockdown is not a reason to stop trading. Just don't deal in weapons. In order to remove lockdown as Michael has stated an I have said before we must do bounty hunting. The bounty hunting missions just like the trade missions deal in large chunks but ordinary day to day bounty hunting also adds to the total the same as trade.
I would urge all players to divide your time in half. Spend half of it bounty hunting and the other half trading until we get rid of lockdown. More important thn that though is to keep our % high and crush LFE. I have a feeling when war comes it will come quickly to the capital station with such a large divide in percentages.
The only reason this has dropped is because players are relaxing due to the boom and lockdown blocking war and becoming discouraged. That is why the boom fell off and that is also the reason that this sudden drop has hit too.
Get back out there and continue what we have been doing. Also do a bit of bounty hunting and we will lift the lockdown. Then we will get war and wipe the floor with them. Ignore the current war with LDF and SN. It is irrelevant!
I would say LDF. Any blow against the Federation is the right move IMO, but I may be biased.
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Affirmative Cmdr as i am anyway not very interested in those conflict zones because they are just too unrealistic. Two 0.1% factions fighting eachother with an endless amount of ships although one of them is a federation one and both owning no station (looks like a placeholder). And i am going for an expedition anyway (also to test something out). Really need some alternation for 1-2 weeks now after putting all i could give 8 weeks non stop in Lugh and our experiment sorry.
I stopped trading for CSG some days ago because for me it is still unclear if importing progenitor cells, food and booze etc having a bad impact on lockdown as they have it by doing missions regarding to those commodities. As far as i know Michael mentioned that civil wars (flipping stations) will be triggered at the small stations first so dont expect the next station to be the controlling station.
According to the 2.1% influence we lost i think its because of our lockdown state now. Something like a trade embargo. So the best thing we can do now is working against our lockdown and survive it at fast as possible.
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If the next station that flipped were Hartsfield or Cavendish then I think it will almost run itself. We would have 6 stations and they would have 3. At that point the NPC trade would be greatly in our favour and as I said about the two big stations near the star, if one of them were to fall then that would be a massive bonus to our economy and a massive blow to theirs. It would all come crashing down like a house of cards. We need to keep our % high. I will not be stopping trading and I will not be walking away because the way I see it is we are at a critical moment right now. There are plenty on here who need a change of scene and I can fully understand that but if those people would rather concentrate on bounty hunting and doing a bit of trade that might be the right thing to do. those of us who have 100 ton cargo bays and bigger should keep trading. This is imperitive because we need to make up for the fact that other are not and out their trying to lift this lockdown. We are now like a team with a few men down and trying to win the game.
I already had this conversation with Roybe about 2 weeks ago and was saying that this new community objective thing coming in next week is going to draw much needed support away from this project as players look for a change of scenery. This was what I was afraid of. I have been here since day 1 and have not left or stopped striving toward this goal. I am asking all of you who have put in such a huge effort here to not let it go to waste. We are so close now to turning this thing around. If we can just keep the % high and break this lockdown we will be in the clear to start another war! Then we will have the oportunity for a landslide victory. Come on guys! Lets not drop the ball now!
If you only have a small ship do some bounty hunting.
If you have a big cargo hold available to you then get out there and trade and make up for the fact that others are not!
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I shall continue working for Lugh - as I have done since Gamma.
I agree we need to trade & bounty hunt, and will continue doing this. But we have to be careful not to spark another boom - or any state other than civil war.
I may also investigate the conflict zones, so that I know what to expect if we trigger them. I will, of course, side with the independents when I do, but my main focus will be bounty hunting in USSs and in SC.
I agree we need to trade & bounty hunt, and will continue doing this. But we have to be careful not to spark another boom - or any state other than civil war.
I may also investigate the conflict zones, so that I know what to expect if we trigger them. I will, of course, side with the independents when I do, but my main focus will be bounty hunting in USSs and in SC.
You got it Commander. Hoping to pack a few hours of trading and bounty hunting in tonight. The wife is out with friends. Giddy up.
COME ON CSG!
COME ON!
I'm not having very much luck with USSs at the moment. Only got 12k worth of Federation bounty, and most of the USSs have been funeral ships, debris fields, and Tech aquisitions. I was doing most of my hunting near Balandin Gateway, though, and it seems the hunting got better the farther away I got from CSG controlled space. Could be a coincidence, though. I'm also not having luck getting bounty hunting missions for pirates.